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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
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 - posted 12-22-2001 05:13 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
All 3 on each screen? Now that's the way to go! Might I ask what theater chain (or indie) you work for?

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Bobby Henderson
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 - posted 12-22-2001 07:47 PM      Profile for Bobby Henderson   Email Bobby Henderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Just a guess on my part, I'll bet it is an old Act III Theatres location (one of the chains bought up in the Regal Cinemas/UATC merger). A few years ago, Act III adopted a theater equipping policy that all screens would be THX certified and feature all three digital sound formats. It was unprecidented at the time, but a practice that is no longer in place (or really very necessary at all). A number of theaters in Washington state, Oregon and the Austin-San Antonio area benefitted from it.

Given the current situation, I would not be surprised if a number of theaters have had to give up 1 or 2 digital format machines to sell off or just to "spread the wealth" on upgrading analog sounded screens to digital.

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Mike Spaeth
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 - posted 12-22-2001 09:32 PM      Profile for Mike Spaeth   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Spaeth   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have a 10-screen discount.

2 DTS ... 8 analog (of which 3 are center-surround)

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Mike Judge
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 - posted 12-23-2001 09:34 PM      Profile for Mike Judge   Email Mike Judge   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bobby is right, may Act III rest in peace, they truly were great. As an old tech said, "Act III wasn't a company, it was a close family." It reflected in everything. For now though, I have their legacy to live with. Only the best!

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Grant Davies
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From: Wangaratta, Victoria, Australia
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 - posted 12-24-2001 12:10 AM      Profile for Grant Davies   Author's Homepage   Email Grant Davies   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We have a 4-plex running dolby digital-EX cp650's with QSC amp's and Klipsch speaker systems. One cinema is running 3-ways in front the other three are running 2-ways.

Projectors are Kinoton FP30e with reverse-scan LED readers.

grant.

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Angel Hultzsch
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 - posted 12-27-2001 07:57 PM      Profile for Angel Hultzsch     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
hey German in el recreo Multiplex have the dolby digital surround ex you must know

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Frank Angel
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 - posted 12-28-2001 11:35 PM      Profile for Frank Angel   Author's Homepage   Email Frank Angel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I work in the art-house arm of the industry -- the arm grows shorter every year. In our big 2500 seat house we are using DTS-6 (double draw) with "penthouse" readers. Economics was really the deciding factor as well as lots of feedback saying the DTS sound quality is right up there with Dolby -- some say a tad better, but I won't argue that. Trouble with the DTS readers is the brackets had to be jerry-rigged to sit on TOP of the rather chunky, and, I might add, uneven Simplex mag penthouses, using slabs of aluminum and stove washers and then needing to mount the unweildy 6000ft magazines on top of them! You need to see this to believe it. Yes, we still run change-over, yes, we still run 4 trk mag (you'd be surprised how often). And yes, we have 6000ft magazines but hardly ever use the LP reels because for running a print 2 or 3 times, mounting and breaking down to 6000ft reels is not labor efficient -- besides I LIKE being a projectionist -- making change-overs isn't a chore for me and I can't understand the guys who think it is.

Never had a problem with DTS. Never drops out, which is a bit disappointing because I take pride in tweaking our system so well that you can flip back and forth between DTS and analog with barely a hint of any audible change in the house. I agree with Scott -- get your analog SR to sound sweet and your digital will easily fall into place.

One of the things that is problematic in large rooms is speech intellegability. We were no exception. Walls had to be treated, you've got to measure slapback carefully and then deal with it acoustically. Getting even coverage to every seat is no picnic either. We use an Aphex Aural Exciter in the system and it adds a remarkable clarity to dialog as well as firming up localization in a nice, airy stereo soundfield. As for the DTS, I heard so much about the trouble with the disk drives that I have a TEAC backup just waiting to get plugged in -- probably will never have to.

Some unique things about this sound system -- everything runs through an 18 channel Allen-Heath studio console, which is great for precise signal control; I can do the gross eq, not with the dinky two controls on Dolby processor, but with the 4 band channel parametric eqs on the console -- then very little has to be done with the CP's on-board 1/3rd octaves. Only downside is that after hours of alignment and after you've got everything tweaked, it is way too easy for someone to mess everything up with his big fat, stupid fingers. So I have a big sheet of Lexan that screws into the rack and covers the mixer. Sometimes I want to just pour epoxy over all the controls and encase it in one big block of plastic, like Hans Solo.

Another unique thing is, we don't use Dolby's bass enhancement. We use a great piece of recording studio equipment from DBX -- their Bass Enhancement processor which gives me a lot more control and quite frankly, it sound much better than Dolby's BE processing. The DBX *halfs* frequencies in the 50-150Hz range; we pump that into quad JBL 18in subbass drivers housed in 2 throated fiberglass Community bins and get a result that slams you into your seat and rattles the fillings out of your teeth. When we play EARTHQUAKE, we don't need to bring in those wimpy Cerwin-Vega folded horns as our subbass bins couple along our the arched ceiling in a special "speaker loft" above the screen. We use 8 HH 800w monolithic amps with incredible damping factor to drive the low-end drivers and 6 Adcom 400w amps to drive all JBL Constant Directivity horns.

Also unique, the screen is not perforated. Our horn clusters are on either side of the screen, with the center channel up above it in the loft along with the 6 dual bass bins for the L/C/R channels. This is nice because a non-perf screen gives us about 10-15% more light that is not wasted going through the holes -- totally free extra foot lamberts. Another nice thing about using the console is that it allows me to play non-sync music with the first notes of the movie sound OVERLAPING the last few seconds of the non-sync music as it ends. Can't do that with the Dolby either/or switching arrangement. Our preshow music is programmed to end EXACTLY at showtime as the CURTIANS being to part....to the second. I use a Cannon 8T sexagesimal calculator to makeup the time schedule.

Unique surrounds in this theatre -- not on the side walls, but two JBL double bins with 90 degree CQ horns in the Left and Right rear corners of the theatre to provide point-of-source surround sound, something THX in their early specs recommeneded over smaller, multiple source speakers along the walls. Once they saw that no one was doing that, they relaxed that requirement and allow multiple sides.

In the smaller Museum theatre (400 seats), no digital at all, just a CP55 with SR/A card modification -- a Dolby Digital unit WAS on the budget before 9/11, but since then the cinema program, like all arts programs in the city, lost 30 -50% of their operating budget. Maybe in time.

The unique thing about this theatre is that the surrounds are not along the side walls but mounted in the ceiling. There are 12 wide-range, 8in speakers in acoustic enclosures mounted in such a way that their dispersion covers all seating areas. I don't know what can be done if they do get digital -- no way to effectively split the surrounds. This theatre uses a powered BGW 1000W RMS Subbass system (dual 18" drivers in it) It isn't behind the screen because the speaker room has cuttouts thru the wall behind the screen and the L/C/R speakers fit through each of their holes. There isn't any space in that room for the big BGW unit. Besides, I heard that putting a subbass speaker system of this size up against a perf screen has a tendencey to make the screen itself pulse with the beat. Great, something else to make the picture look out-of-focus.

The outdoor Movie-in-the-Park setup is also just analog; we use an UltraStereo unit with SR. Decent sounding, but here I can never tell what I am hearing because everything goes through the sound mixer's console and he is forever adjusting stuff. Whis is fine because he runs it like he is running a show, always at the board and always tweaking. I stopped trying to tell him he doesn't have to touch anything since he has a good ear and he does make everything sound quite good. How close that is to what the director heard in the mixing sessions I will never know.

The 70mm (Century's) installation at a Museum in Mass, has no digital at all, just straight Dolby CP200 plus the mag preamp unit. Same deal as the Park as far as everything being actively mixed by a sound mixer. In fact, same guy who mixes the sound in the Prospect Park venue is hired in Massachusetts for their performances (yes, he is that good). I only desigined the cinema system up there and have never actually seen (or heard) a film screening there. I am assuming Dave makes it all sound good.

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Gordon McLeod
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Imax and Quintaphonic are the only two rear point source surrond systems I have heard of I would be interested in a copy of any literature that YHX originally recomended that

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Rory Burke
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 - posted 12-30-2001 01:44 PM      Profile for Rory Burke   Email Rory Burke   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Cinepolis in mexico use QSC DCA series, THX-1138 processors, Dolby Digital, DTS, Sony, 35mm film/70mm IMAX footage on 70 foot wide curved screens all THX certified...........Sometime when people go all out they GO ALL OUT.........Oh did I mention Spirits Bar?? Oh and to top it off VIP lounge chair screening rooms with full service catering.......and a Sushi BAR just for the heck of it.
Cinepolis "El Pabellon", Guadalajara, Mexico
Did I mention it is three stories tall and part of a 20 plex hahaha I better go before I really cant stop........ok more lighting effects and more artistic expression that any Canadian Famous Player's Collosseum or Silver City site!
Good day gentlemen!
Rory

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