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Edwin Graf Diemer
Film Handler

Posts: 47
From: Red Bank, NJ, USA
Registered: Jul 2000

posted 05-29-2001 08:24 PM

Its a United Artists Theater. The Imax screen is on the second floor, although you can get there from the rear when crowds are light. (One ticket taker can handle the works this way.) The two largest screens are 62 feet when running 'Scope, and all is constantly well-run. I make a point of visiting when I'm in the area!

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Joe Redifer
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From: Denver, Colorado
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posted 05-29-2001 09:36 PM

Only 62 feet? I guess I was spoiled by the UA Galaxy's 80 feet. And it's not an IMAX.

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 05-31-2001 03:44 PM

I've been watching my INTERNET sources, and listening to the grapevine, and here's the unofficial list of dye transfer prints of "Pearl Harbor":

Los Angeles Area:

General Cinema Beverly Connection
Cineplex Odeon Century City
AMC Santa Monica
AMC 14 Burbank (starting 6/1/2001)
Cineplex Odeon Universal City Walk (6/1/2001)
Edwards Spectrum Irvine (6/1/2001)
General Cinema Sherman Oaks (6/1/2001)

San Francisco:

Sony Metreon

New York City:

AMC Empire 25
Loews Lincoln Square
Union Square

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 05-31-2001 03:57 PM

Hmmmm, that's 11 prints. Supposedly there were only 6 prints struck in IB dye transfer. I wonder if they really are dye transfer, or if the projectionists just saw the green "premiere print" label on the cans and think they have something special.

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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posted 05-31-2001 04:09 PM

Well, now that we have a list of theatres, perhaps some of the Film-Tech people who have contacts at the theatres can verify? Tal Marks? Jonathan Haglund? Kurt Shawn Macfarlane? Tim Reed?

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Larry Davis
Film Handler

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From: New York
Registered: Sep 2000

posted 05-31-2001 06:51 PM

John,
I spoke with the projectionist at Union Square. He told me they have a dye transfer print, but they are using it as a backup. The reason is that if the digital readers fail, it's difficult to read the analog tracks with white light on dye transfer prints. Those are his words and reasoning. Whether or not his reasoning is correct, he was a nice guy and very polite.

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John Pytlak
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posted 05-31-2001 08:10 PM

Larry: Thanks for verifying that Union Square has a dye transfer print. Dye transfer has a genuine silver analog track, so I'm surprised that he feels the sound is difficult to read with white light. Shame that the print is not being shown, since there are so few in circulation.

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
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posted 05-31-2001 09:53 PM

Ugh! Larry, tell Union Square to send that print to me!!!

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Larry Davis
Film Handler

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From: New York
Registered: Sep 2000

posted 05-31-2001 10:43 PM

John,
I was suprised and disappointed by what the projectionist said. It seems like such a waste. I wish there was better coordination with theaters. These prints should be distributed with some thought.

Brad,
But then what would they use as a backup print?

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Brad Miller
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posted 05-31-2001 11:30 PM

Personally, I've always felt that a "backup" print should only be necessary in crappy theaters. Anyone who knows what they are doing does NOT need a backup print.

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Tal Marks
Film Handler

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From: New York, NY
Registered: Oct 1999

posted 06-01-2001 11:28 PM

Hi guys. Here at Loew's Lincoln Square, (SONY got rid of their shares so it's now just Loews) we're running 6 prints of Pearl Harbor. Our premiere house is running an
EK #00001, followed by EK #00008, then a select #00009, then the reg. prints.
Upstairs in IMAX, I was told they have a couple of prints specifically for large format screens (indicated by "LARGE" printed on the label). We were told directly not to use them on any of our screens.

As for the dye transfer prints, there may have been a mix up with some information I provided over the phone to Larry Davis. About 2 weeks before its release, we had a huge press/media screening in which I now distinctly remember seeing on the technicolor label "B-DYE". I believe I may have told Larry that the prints marked "b-dye" were running in IMAX when they actually weren't even in the building... ooops.

Tal.

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Joe Redifer
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From: Denver, Colorado
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posted 06-02-2001 02:40 AM

I agree with Brad. Any theater that actually needs "backup prints" truly sucks major ass. And what is this theater that can't even play both digital and analog sound correctly doing with a dye transfer print in the first place? Perhaps the distribution of such prints could better be thought out so only fully functional theaters receive them.

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Mark Lensenmayer
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Upper Arlington, OH
Registered: Sep 1999

posted 06-02-2001 08:13 AM

So, we now know that there are special prints for large screens such as IMAX. Now, can anyone tell us just what is different about them? Most likely not dye transfer, but timed differently?

Mark L.

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Christopher Seo
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Los Angeles, CA
Registered: Jun 99

posted 06-02-2001 09:43 AM

The print used for the outdoor (aircraft carrier) premiere, I'm told, was an EK timed 2 points lighter than normal (for something like an 80 foot screen?). This print was probably then passed on to a large-screen theatre.

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Mervyn Collard
Film Handler

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From: Bude, Cornwall, England
Registered: Jun 2001

posted 07-17-2001 05:09 PM

I'm surprised that you have dye transfer prints in the States I thought that system had gone forever. Technicolor in the UK defintely do not print dye transfer prints any more. I believe all their printing equipment for that system went to China. I'd love to know more about Dye Transfer in the States as it was the premier colour system. I'd love to heatr from anybody about this.

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