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Author Topic: Change lens turret to Flat in between EVERY show?
Jesse Skeen
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 - posted 09-28-2001 04:36 AM      Profile for Jesse Skeen   Email Jesse Skeen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, I tried talking some sense into these people, but they wouldn't listen. I finally found a new job in a different field and left this place; I guess they are going to have to find out the hard way what a ridiculous idea this is. One screen currently has the scope lens set way too far off to the left; it was perfect when I'd adjusted it a long time ago before they made us start doing this. It's depressing that I was the one who cared the most about this place and they were willing to have me leave over something like this (if I'd refused to do what they told me I would've been fired).
For the record, they STILL have a LOT of outdated slides onscreen too- I let the district manager know about this and someone from the slide company came and did some re-organizing, but several outdated slides remain. I especially love the ones for "AFI 100 Year, 100 Laughs: A CBS-TV Event This June" which should have been pulled after June of LAST YEAR!

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Charles Everett
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 - posted 04-24-2002 06:08 PM      Profile for Charles Everett   Email Charles Everett   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Must be a policy of Regal Cinemas. Let's hope that does not trickle down to UA and Edwards!

When I go into an auditorium I always check the screen so I can tell if the feature is in flat or scope.

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Paul G. Thompson
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 - posted 04-24-2002 07:51 PM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Jesse, I am not sure what you are trying to say about the lense. Are you saying that at the end of a scope movie, they want the lense changed back to flat even though the next movie is scope? And, then change back to scope at the start of the next scope movie?

I see no logic for having such a policy being implemented. All it will do is eventually knock something out of alignment, and create a "gotcha" situation where the wrong lense will be used at the start of the movie.

I wonder what spurred that idea in the first place.......



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Scott Norwood
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 - posted 04-24-2002 10:18 PM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Paul's right--it just sounds like a dumb idea.

It makes about as much sense as the damn AMC "cut the ratings bands off trailers" policy.

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James R. Hammonds, Jr
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 - posted 04-25-2002 01:59 AM      Profile for James R. Hammonds, Jr   Email James R. Hammonds, Jr   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Probably because if you have top masking, the slides can always be as big as possible.

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Michael Brown
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 - posted 04-25-2002 07:44 AM      Profile for Michael Brown   Email Michael Brown   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Top Masking *shudder*

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Jesse Skeen
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 - posted 04-25-2002 12:35 PM      Profile for Jesse Skeen   Email Jesse Skeen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm still not sure if this was policy for all Regal theaters, but I was basically told to either do this or be fired, so I immediately started looking for another job, which took me 2 months. During that time I just did everything the way they told me to, and I wrote a letter to the district manager explaining why this was such a bad idea but never received a response, so as soon as I was hired at my new (non-theater) job I put in my 2 weeks' notice, giving this as my reason for leaving. The general manager did not want me to leave, but had to uphold this policy so that was that. I don't know how this theater is doing now but if anyone has been there recently I would like to know. Believe it or not, I still care about this place- I can't drive by it without feeling sad, though I haven't been in there since my last day of work (September 24th.) My biggest grudge is that this theater had several sound-related problems when I started working there which were probably present for the year the place had already been open; ALL of which I fixed (partly with help from this site) but I received NO thanks whatsoever and was even scolded for asking about it on this forum instead of letting someone at the company know- my answer to that was that it had already been open a year and nobody there had noticed, so I didn't see much good in talking to them about it.
For what I know this was not a nationwide policy, but supposedly at least all the Regals in CA had to do this. I've seen other theaters with top masking have it always change to Flat for the slides, and it's just silly. The slides don't look any better for doing this and I've always believed that the masking should NEVER move when the customers are there to see it- only exception being a double feature when this is unavoidable.
I did enjoy working at this theater a great deal until this started; I'd gladly go back if they aren't doing this anymore.

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Jesse Skeen
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 - posted 04-25-2002 12:40 PM      Profile for Jesse Skeen   Email Jesse Skeen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Oh yeah- as for the lenses also changing along with the masking, the reasoning for that was that the large scope lenses would "bang" into the projector when the turret was opened for threading- this came from the same technician who apparently never noticed the sound problems (clicking in left surround in most auditoriums and one screen's amp set to play the front left and center channels mixed together!) I checked all 16 projectors to see if this really was a problem, and only on two of them did the lens come close enough where it might cause some damage, and that would have been better solved by installing foam padding on the projector. Having the turrets and aperture plates change constantly made it impossible to have the picture perfectly aligned onscreen.

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Paul G. Thompson
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 - posted 04-25-2002 01:47 PM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
OK. Jesse, that makes sense.

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Ken Lackner
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Paul,

Don't know if it's a strictly enforced policy, but at my last theater (I'm in such a habbit of saying that; technically it's now two theaters ago for me) which I helped open, we were told to program the automation (CNA 150) to go back to flat at the end of the show. I could see why (although not agree with it) for top masking, but why for side masking? Like I said, it wasn't strictly enforced. After we opened, I never heard another word about that policy, and I doubt anyone would have cared if I reprogrammed them to stay in scope if it's a scope feature. (Something I wish I had done.)

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Paul G. Thompson
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Ken, I was referring to the possible damage to the lense if it slams into the side of the machine.

As far as the masking is conerned, it shouldn't be bothered too much by the change, unless the rigging is screwed up. But I can add that with movable top masking, that is one heck of a lot of weight. Eventually, if excercized excessively, it is going to break especially if there is no counterweight.

Sorry about the confusion.

Paul


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Gordon McLeod
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 - posted 04-25-2002 07:53 PM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I was servicing a automation the other day and its built in default always ends the show returning to flat

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Charles Everett
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 - posted 07-01-2002 05:55 PM      Profile for Charles Everett   Email Charles Everett   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bumping this up for our newbies.

I've come across this situation twice in the past 2 weeks:

(1) AMC Hamilton, 5 PM matinee, Bad Company, 6/23. Bad Company is in scope. Before the show the screen was set to flat while the slides played. As soon as the projectionist hit the start button the masking adjusted to scope -- just in time for the NCN snipe that starts the preshow.

(2) Edgewater Multiplex, 7:15 PM show, Ya-Ya Sisterhood, 6/30. This hall has a double-up of Insomnia (flat) and Ya-Ya Sisterhood (scope). The screen remained flat throughout the slides. When the projectionist hit the start button the masking adjusted for scope -- just in time for the Jimmy Fund promo. Also, the masking in this hall is top masking only and makes a scope image look smaller than a flat image. The masking returned to flat when the shutdown cue passed through.

Both of these halls are small-to-medium size seating about 125-150.

Brad, Christopher: Cinema Screen Media has been renamed Regal CineMedia AFAIK. It handles slides for UA/Regal/Edwards nationwide and Destinta in the Northeast, among other chains.

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Steve Scott
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 - posted 07-01-2002 10:06 PM      Profile for Steve Scott   Email Steve Scott   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
When I worked with Century projectors, the flat lens would get banged up by the gate if it was opened too hard. But if the turret is opened you've got no problem, that is assuming the port hole isn't in closer proximity to the turret.

As far was vertical vs. horizontal masking goes, vertical does have its advantages for the screens that force a scope image to the walls because of poor construction planning But people do like their movies bigger I guess...

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James R. Hammonds, Jr
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 - posted 07-02-2002 01:55 AM      Profile for James R. Hammonds, Jr   Email James R. Hammonds, Jr   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Charles, Insomnia and Ya Ya are both scope

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