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Jesse Skeen
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 - posted 07-22-2002 01:38 AM      Profile for Jesse Skeen   Email Jesse Skeen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
"It's done to make the slide projector ads look better."

How does it make them look better?

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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 - posted 07-23-2002 02:06 AM      Profile for Daryl C. W. O'Shea   Author's Homepage   Email Daryl C. W. O'Shea   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't think that slide ads can ever look better, just bigger (and darker and more out of focus if projected on an angle).

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Darren Briggs
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 - posted 07-23-2002 06:19 AM      Profile for Darren Briggs   Author's Homepage   Email Darren Briggs   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Brad
So are you saying you would show your adverts and trailers in scope if the feature is scope, just so that your feature image isn't vertically smaller than the support?
So you are agreeing to stretch all the support, dont you think a flat trailer for a scope film (i.e leterboxed 1.85:1 image) would look mighty shitte!
I agree that it looks best if the feature, if in scope is a bigger picture than 1.85, but all stectching support just so you can have the same size picture would be just bad bad presentation i belive. Most late 80's early 90's mulitiplexes in the U.K use just a top mask in there smaller screens, hey it looks shitte but if you want good presentation you would be best to go to a modern mulitplex with larger screens, or search for the local quality independent cinema.

As long as the feature is shown in the correct ratio and sound format, and in a perfect world all scope would be bigger than 1.33/1.66/1.85, but due to money being the final decider in mulitiplex design.
I often show 1.66 and 1.33 films and run 1.85 support before them. In one of my three screens 1.66 uses the biggest screen area, 1.85 and scope use about the same screen area, as I have top and side masking, so the shape changes but doesnt reduce the screen area.
In the other two screens with side masking only, 1.33 is obviously smaller than 1.85, but as it is still 4.5m high, its a big picture.

So I say if you want 'FILM DONE RIGHT', show the correct ratio's even for the adverts and trailers.

Darren )

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Gordon McLeod
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 - posted 07-23-2002 08:45 PM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Darren in North America almost all trailers and adverts are available in both flat and scope so the issue isn't show it in the wrong format just don't make the feature look small

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Darren Briggs
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Cheers Gordon for the info, here in the U.K Scope trailers are rare and tend only to come on the heads of features. Otherwise its flat for us
A few are 1.66:1 as i show alot of arty films form europe.

Cheers
Darren

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Charles Everett
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 - posted 08-12-2002 06:46 PM      Profile for Charles Everett   Email Charles Everett   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
At least 1 UA is now changing to flat in between shows -- the UA Cortlandt Stadium in Westchester County NY. That's to accommodate the Regal Cinemedia package with video instead of slides between shows.

From the way the Regal Cinemedia package is presented this might be Regal/UA/Edwards policy.

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John Walsh
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 - posted 08-12-2002 08:46 PM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Jesse asked: "How does it make them [the slides] look better?"

Simply that it closes the masking to frame the image better.

The problem though, is the turrets apparently take a beating. I wouldn't think changing the lens turret to flat in between every show to be that rough, but I guess it is because many of our turrets no longer "index" correctly. Of course, these are Ernamanns, which have about the worst turret "accuracy" I've ever seen.

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Lewis Bohannon
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 - posted 08-13-2002 02:40 AM      Profile for Lewis Bohannon   Email Lewis Bohannon   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Here's my 2 cents worth...

My theater is set up to return the masking, and the turret to flat after every show. One of the stipulations for having Val Morgan as our advertising company. This is how it has been since my theater opened in '97. We do not use timers, so at the start of each show, I have the oppertunity to tripple check the laceing of the projector, check the format, and when I'm happy with it I press start. Even though there is a que set to change evertyhing to scope, we do it "manually" by pressing the scope button that changes the turret and the masking. Doing this, I found I am GIVING my customers a wider screen, and if it's flat, there is no change, but I am not taking something away from them.
BUT, over the years, it has come to our tech's attention that the turrets are falling out of alignment too soon, and too frequently. Now the company wants to have us leave them in format, but that now the masking stays open. The solution is going to be to move the masking controlls to an unused button on the automation panel, while having the masking still close at the end-of-show ques. How it works out I'll have to wait and see.

Hmmm, I said 2 cents, and I gave 2 bucks.. Oh well

BTW, I run Erniman 15 projectors, and Maxi 12 pc automation if anyone's interested.

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Charles Everett
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More or less confirming that it's Regal/UA/Edwards policy: The Regal Warrington Crossing in Bucks County PA also resets the masking to flat between shows. This was true when I saw Igby Goes Down (a scope film) on Saturday past.

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Jesse Skeen
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 - posted 10-14-2002 01:33 PM      Profile for Jesse Skeen   Email Jesse Skeen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
**sigh**
Wonder if the ads-on-video thing is going to affect this even more...


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David Stambaugh
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Regal hasn't started that nonsense here (yet). However, I've noticed that the slides are blown up a large as possible lately to fill the screen more. Which of course makes them that much more dim and unreadable.

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Jesse Skeen
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 - posted 04-16-2003 05:54 PM      Profile for Jesse Skeen   Email Jesse Skeen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Went to this theater last night for the first time after leaving over a year ago, for a free sneak preview- it was on one of the side-masking screens, but the movie was flat and they had the masking opened up to Scope through the whole show [Eek!] Checked out some of the neighboring screens and saw that they are still having the top-masking raised for the slides (they haven't gotten "The 2wenty" yet), but the lens turrets don't change anymore. I still find this distasteful and would not want to do this- the masking should not move when people are in the auditorium to see it, unless it's a double feature.
One screen was playing a scope movie with the masking on flat though (perhaps it wore out?) and the picture was also out of focus and wrapped-around on the bottom. Another was running white light on the screen, apparently it didn't stop after the previous show and nobody was upstairs to catch it [Roll Eyes] (someone should also have caught me theater-hopping too.) Nice to see they're getting along so well without me [Razz]
Sad thing is I still care about this place, obviously more than the people still working there.

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