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Rick Green
Film Handler

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From: Sacramento, CA, USA
Registered: Jan 2000


 - posted 01-01-2002 09:53 PM      Profile for Rick Green   Email Rick Green   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think Frank's analysis of the problem is exactly right. A lot of us on this forum are indeed very experienced in a booth. (I've got 26 years in...) And I agree that we all have a lot of passion about our craft, otherwise we probably wouldn't be here. I come from a union background, I'm a proud member of the IATSE. But my local union is all but history. I've seen a lot of excellent, experienced projectionists that also had that "passion" lose their livelihood in the name of the almighty dollar.

At one time, I was very involved walking the picket lines and trying to help the union's cause. Ultimately, the union lost the fight. I myself went back to school, and have been earning my living in television production. But, I've never lost the passion for film projection, and I never will. When people find out about my background in projection, I'm always asked why there are so many problems at local theaters. Without exception these folks are amazed when they learn the extent of the training that today's "projectionists" receive. What it all comes down to is- Projectionists need to be properly trained! Union or not, it makes no difference. You can't just throw someone into a booth with a "turn on these breakers and push this start button" type of training.

Theater owners are looking to digital video projection to solve all their problems in the future. (So now they can really eliminate the projectionist, right?) In my opinion, there will still be a need for a skilled person to deal with hardware, data storage and trouble shootng issues. People are going to have their home DVD / High Definition systems for comparison. We have to be able to out-perfom that home system every time!

I apologize for the length of this post, but I've been reading the threads about presentation (or lack thereof) and I just had to put in my .02 worth. By the way, my dad was a manager for United Artists for over thirty years, so I really grew up in the industry. I can honestly tell you that showmanship really used to be EVERYTHING! Not anymore.

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Ken Lackner
Phenomenal Film Handler

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Ah, the good old days. What am I talking about -- I was never there. But I wish I was. I am a 20-something. Actually, 20, to be exact. Sure, I don't know nearly as much as most of you guys, but I am sure you can tell from my posts that I certainly care as much as you do. More than most of the people I've worked with. And even if starting the show comes down to pushing one little green button, there's a lot more to it than that. I got into projection because I've always loved technology, and this was the technology at my workplace. (I started as a concessionaire.) Well, I am hooked. But I've had to teach myself a lot. Yes, I agree that projectionists - union or not - most definetely (did I spell that right? I cannot remember.) need more training than they are usually given. I sure as heck would have loved to have been around when projection was all about showmanship and everyone cared as much as we do. What has happened to this industry? Whatever it is, it is sad. And it is sad that I will never see those days. It is sad that I have to go to work every day and put in my share of caring about what I do, as well as enough caring to go around for everyone else. It is sad that all too often, the booth is sacrificed for floor operations, when the reality is both are equaly important. And it is sad that managers don't care about having perfect presentation, but have the attitude "we're good enough; we'll never be perfect." Does anyone know of a place, perhaps in some fantasy world, that has real projectionists that care about what they do? That is where I will be happy. That is where I want to go. Take me there!

"Take me far away from the mucky-muck." -- Tenacious D



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Paul Harnden
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Ken,

I couldn't have said it better myself, I am the exact same way. I too started from the bottom but always wanted to become a projectionist and when i did, I loved it!!! I spent countless non-paid hours with the head honcho in booth learning all about the projectors I've worked with, troubleshooting, and maintenance.
And like Ken said I too want to experience all of what many of you have been through, to work with changeover projectors and such, but alas with big corporations and such dominating the industry, less training=less cost and such... Well either way the fate of the projectionist takes, good or bad, I can always be proud of being one.

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Ken Lackner
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Whoa, I never said anything about wanting change-over projectors.

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Brad Miller
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HA HA! And now a word from Steve.

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Adam Martin
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You haven't lived until you've executed the perfect changeover! At least try it once. It won't hurt, I promise.

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Paul Cassidy
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No it will only hurt your pride if you mess it up.

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James R. Hammonds, Jr
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Id like to do a changeover to see how it works also.
Actually Id like to one day run a whole changeover show perfectly.
At least just once.

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Frank Angel
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Ken and Paul,

Hang in there....it's not be a bleak as I make it sound. There are plenty of theatres across the country, mostly art houses, some restored palaces, museums, performing arts centers, some college and university film programs that have the luxury of running the old way. Most have changeover systems and most have veterans running them that came originally from the commercial sector. It is quite apropos that museums and schools run the classic titles that the commercial theatres won't touch. A museum's mission to preserve history and our culture becomes doubly important when it comes to film exhibition -- all the mucky-mucks dance shout about the need to preserve FILM, but there seems to be a decided lack of enthusiasm when it comes to preserving the best environments in which this film is to be experienced.

Go seek out these booths; nine times out of ten the guy will be more than happy to show you his craft -- he will usually be doing more than just booth work as these facilities tend to be multifunctional. He gets to be projectionist for cinema -- short runs mostly and then wears other hats as well. Even these noncommercial venues can't run films 12/7 the way we did back in the glory days, and to be quite honest, I am not sure if some of the magic might not wear a little thin if I had to run 5 shows a day off 2000ft reels, every week -- although, I must say, I did it for a few years in Texas and it rarely wore me down (but then I was 21 -- that number is long past).

And if your passion is unrelenting, then keep your eyes peeled for positon openings in these venues. You never know. And of course, if you are ever in the New York area, give me a shout....I'd be happy to let you make a few changeovers as a "guest projectionist" if you'd like.

Look, there are a lot of elements in this jigsaw puzzle which is the picture of the state of today's cinemas. It isn't only the theatre chains that are to blame -- a lot can be placed right at the door of the distributors. Look at it this way: the exhibitor now gets only 10% of the ticket sale and 100% of the concessions -- is it any wonder that the concessions "booth" is a block-long, gleaming chrome and glass affair with five people working behind it, and the auditoria are these dark, dank holes-in-the-wall with neither an usher in the room or a projectionist in the booth. The exhibitor doesn't have a lot of economic incentive to care much about what happens outside of his most lucrative sale item -- the concessions. The "don't-put-money-into-it-until-they complain" syndrome has a basis in the economic model developed by distribution. Cinema is now the fast-food of the entertainment industry. Films play off in a month and are never heard of again, at least not on a movie screen.

I am a realist. I know that EVERYTHING changes and cinema is no exception. I know dedicated projectionists -- very bright, technically savvy topguns who finally completely gave up their careers
because it changed so radically and they hated what booth work had become--they hated just being splice jockeys. As much as both loved being projectionists before multiplexing, each finally gave up and moved on to the computer industry.

Realistically, no one can go back to "the good old days," at least not in commercial exhibition. Not only are the craftsmen here on Film-Tech disillusioned about the technical dumbing of booth operations, but so is the public. When I was a kid, you NEVER heard anyone saying how they didn't like going to the movies. Even the under-belly, neighborhood theatres were able to give a show that people enjoyed -- the whole package worked. What amazes me is that exhibition doesn't see this. They seem to be oblivious to the fact that their product (which is NOT the film -- that's the studio's product) which is the physical plant, the whole moviegoing experience, it's deteriorating to the point where people would rather wait until the studio's product (the film) can be gotten through other sources, i.e., DVD, cable, HDTV, etc. Ironically, when the exhibitor had NO threat from other ancillary avenues by which his customer could get to see a film, when he was basically the only game in town, it was then that his showmanship and presentation values were MUCH better. Today, when he is threatened on all sides, his presentation values are the lowest. It almost seems like he has a death-wish. Surely he has to have heard that there is a growing mass of people who dislike going to the cinema so much so that they have stopped altogether -- mostly older folks who remember how impressive that experience used to be.

The most bizarre thing is, that some exhibitors think that DLP will solve all their problems -- what a joke. If they buy into this technology, they are going to quickly find that, like everything in the computer world, hardware and software become obsolete in a matter of a few years, sometimes in a matter of months. NOTHING about DLP is standardized (EVERYTHING that in anyway effects 35mm projection IS standardized). The president of Panastereo commented that the sound format for DLP is not yet standardized, making it quite difficult to design new sound processing hardware.

Won't exhibition be surprised that just when they think they have eliminated a $20 an hour union projectionist, they discover that they need a computer technician at $190 and hour just to load a new feature into the DLP's RAID server. What's more, the exhibitor's bought-and-payed-for, stalwart Century or Simplex projector pretty much ran for decades without much more than, at most, some oil and a new lamp every 2000 hours (2500 when they could get away with it) and which is so ubiquitous that he could find parts from a myriad of sources, will be replaced by hardware and software that is proprietary and staggeringly expensive. Even if Technicolor pays part of the installation on their measly 1000 screens, they certainly aren't going to also pay for maintenance -- they aren't going to replace that DLP nano-mirror module every time the 7000w xenon light source burns out 40 percent of those on/off nano-mirror pixels. Bet they are a lot more expensive than an aperture plate! When that DLP goes down (and you know it will), there won't be a "spare head" sitting in the basement ready to be quickly installed to get the show back on the screen within one or two show cycles like you could do with 35mm. AND there won't be an army of "old tech hands" who grew up with 35mm and could tear apart most any projector or sound head, repair it and put it back together in an hour. No, for years the guys from DLP will only come out of TI's enclave in one part of the country. Wait until Mr. Exhibitor has to fly one out, pay for his hotel and travel time and then watch him troubleshoot as the hours tick by -- $190 an hour...tick tick tick. How much you wanna bet ANYTHING on a DLPs takes longer to fix than ANYTHING on a Century?! Not a pretty picture for an exhibitor who historically fought like a cat-on-a-hot-tin-roof at every possible turn to eliminate a union projectionist's salary. DLP is not the answer....just another set of problems for exhibitor who don't seem to understand what draws patrons to a particular theatre -- PRESENTATION....SHOWMANSHIP! Wake up NATO -- why is this so difficult to comprehend?


Frank

Movies: Everyone should have one to look forward to.

-- an ad slogan that NATO members put at the bottom of all their newspaper ads back in the early 60s.

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Scott Norwood
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Everyone should have the chance to work in a changeover booth, even if it's only 16mm or something.

Even though I'm one of the 'kids' (I'm 25), I have had the good fortune to work in a number of different types of booths; it's fun to run a day's worth of perfect shows with changeovers and carbon arc and then do the same thing the next week with platters, xenon, and automation. Actually, of the places where I have been paid money to show films, most of them have been manually run. Automation, platters, etc. are great when they work (and, especially, for long runs), but I personally prefer to run the show manually, especially for once-only screenings.

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Paul Harnden
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Wow thanks guys!

Frank especially, I totally agree with you but didn't know some of the specifics you brought forth, thanks for the info! Ken, sorry I made a typo, never meant to say that you wanted to do changeovers, but I always have after hearing about them from my ol' boss. And Frank if I'm ever in NY I'll stop by to say hi and hopefully take you up on that offer .

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Ken Lackner
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Ok, now that I'm done reading Frank's novelette....

Paul, I know you didn't say that I said I wanted to run changeovers. I was just joking around. Actually, I would like to try. It would work for a small theater, but for the gigaplex, you definitely need platters and automation.

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John Pytlak
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It's better to light one candle than curse the darkness.

It's better to "Do Film Right", than to give in to mediocre presentation or home "theatre". Many on Film-Tech are shining examples of what needs to be done.

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Paul Harnden
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Nah Ken it's cool, sorry bout the mix-up . I'd would rather work a one-house with changeovers than a mega-plex with platters and automation. I'd prefer working with the machines full-time than walking over and pushing the buttons and having multiple worries at once.

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Ted Costas
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Presentation Quality is what it's all about. That's why TAP exists.
That's why we are at the labs, that's why we go out to theatres.

Cheers to Peter B. for starting this thread! It is vital that projetionists care about a quality presentation. As John P. said projectionists are the final link in the chain... and how important is the link that shows off every other link in the chain...? Ask any director who's had their film projected poorly... after they've stopped screaming and throwing things, and have calmed down a bit.

We, at TAP, have been going out to theatres and grading presentation quality since 1983. We have quite a data base of information. The only problem is, we are sent out to theatres at the request of Distribution primarily, and that tends to skew towards the top market theatres. Hence, many smaller theatres are rarely, or never, visited by TAP. I have been in discussions with my superiors at THX about rewarding the best presentation houses in the country (THX or non-THX, it doesn't matter). I'm trying to put together a "TAP Top Ten" Theatres in the domestic United States. Unfortunately, we will only be able to fairly "rank" theatres we've visited (that's the best we can do, currently). And we will not rank theatres on a 1 through 10 basis, but simply as "the ten theatres listed performed best," according to TAP Evaluation visits, for the year listed. How does that sound?

I was quoted in an article about The Senator Theatre in Baltimore, saying that, "the Senator is one of the two top presentation houses in the country." That was based on the statistics we were using to create the TAP Top Ten. I'm hoping to have something formal in place in time for ShoWest... your input is always appreciated.

Give it to me, please.

Yours, Ted

Ted Costas
Senior Manager
THX Theatre Alignment Program

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