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Gordon McLeod
Film God

Posts: 9532
From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99

posted 02-13-2002 10:11 AM

I gather the reasons for leaving the punchings in the plate is the next layer sticks to the one in there and not rise back up to the print
I just break the long trail hanging out the bottom off everyso often
Also for the record CIR was the first splicer that used non perforated tape And shinko electric made the first knockoffs, for neumade.

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Ken Lackner
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1907
From: Atlanta, GA, USA
Registered: Sep 2001

posted 02-13-2002 04:01 PM

Leo said: "Eventually they'd get packed with adhesive which would start to come off on the perforating teeth and contaminate the film. I've seen this happen on joiners which had never been cleaned in ages."

Key phrase: "never been cleaned in ages." I clean mine at least once a month, and I don't ahve any such problems. I don't care what kind of splicer you have, it must be cleaned on a regular basis.

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Will Kutler
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1506
From: Tucson, AZ, USA
Registered: Feb 2001

posted 02-13-2002 04:34 PM

I have tried to use CIR splicers and could never get them to line up correctly and give me a good clean butt joint!

I do like the Neumade splicers. Very rugged machines that do need to be handled gently. Should the punch and die come out of alignment, you may have to send it back to Neumade for repairs. It is also very important that the film cutter be kept sharp and snug against the chassis. It is possible to have an AWSHIT and scrape a frame rather than cutting. Generally speaking, properly cared for and gently handled, this is an excellent machine.

I really do not have any practical experience with the Strong splicer, but have had a chance to briefly examine it. Compared to the Neumade, the thing is a tank. From my limited observation, this also looks like a very well belt piece of equipment.

I would definately take a Neumade or Strong over the CIR

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Leo Enticknap
Film God

Posts: 7474
From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000

posted 02-14-2002 05:42 AM

Ken - I agree. Which is why I'm so surprised that the manufacturer actually tells you not to clean a vital part of it.

I wouldn't go as far as Brad and Joe and condemn all things CIR to the dust cart, but it must surely be possible to design a tape joiner which produces good, clean splices with less ongoing effort.

If not, could someone please invent a type of film cement that works on polyester and which does not cost as much as an ultrasonic joiner? That way we'd never have to settle for second-best (i.e. tape joins) again.

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Stan Gunn
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 176
From: Clematis, in the hills near Melbourne Australia
Registered: Aug 2000

posted 02-14-2002 11:23 PM

Hi all
Here in oz ciro splicers cover about 99% of splicers used.
the early models, to get a good butt splice The cutter blade has to be adjusted, the later (m3) has an adjustment to move the left pins to butt the ends.

The early units can have a bottom cover made with cardboard to stop the punchouts from sticking all over the place, I have used the ciro
for around 25 years and have found them to be reliable and easy to use, and with a minemum of care will give many thousands of perfect splices.
I have also used some of the copys
commonsense and care will always produce a good splice no matter who made the splicer.

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