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Manny Knowles
"What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???"

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Ky...read my last post...call the DGA in Los Angeles and you can order it there.

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Frank Angel
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Manny,

I got the AFI trailer from a collector among some older trailers he was selling, which is not much help, but I would imagine if you contacted the AFI, you might be able to purchase it from them or surely they would know how it was distributed.

I don't know if I mentioned it before, but AMPAS puts out a yearly list of the short subjects and in the past offered a reel for that year's nominated shorts on 16mm. They discontinued the 16mm reel but now offer it on video (ugh). Most of these quality shorts don't have distributors, but for the art house that wants to do some grunt work, you can get some good results by contacting the filmmakers directly. They usually have prints that they circulate and most times they are overjoyed that a real theater wants to play their work. The down side is, that only a handful of this material is available on 35mm; most is on 16mm. Which is why it is always nice to have an Eastman 25B in the booth.

One last point before I am off to Florida for 2 weeks, if you want some beautifully produced, high quality PSAs that are designed to make the viewer THINK as opposed to proselytizing at him/her, which is the down side of a lot of PSAs, the Earth Office, an environmental group, has produced a series of "pro-earth" spots that are outstanding. Audiences love them....they enhance the theatre's image and they give something back to the community. rather than like most everything else we do, that tries to extract money from their pockets. I might be able to post their contact information before I leave for vacation. If not, do a search on Earth One or Earth Office. If you doubt that a PSA can be made that doesn't scream "agenda," they have a tape of all their spots that are available in 35mm which they will send for free. You need to be a theatre, not a collector (they can't afford to be giving 35mm prints away for free to everyone).

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John Pytlak
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Kodak has been a co-sponsor of those environmental trailers, donating the film for them:
http://www.oneearth.org/fs_index.htm

The titles so far have been:

Think More, Use Less

Health & Environment

Hidden City

Neighbors, Speak &
Water Planet

Mother

Power of One

Connections

Wonderful World



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Carl King
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Hi guys and gals;


When I was a kid hanging out in the theatre that my late father managed I remember the Canadian national anthem being played at the end of the performance. For a while we even played God Save the Queen.

I haven't seen an anthem played in a cinema for 20 yrs. Hearing that some of you do play it in your houses I wonder why. Is a cinema a fitting venue for that, or for that matter is a baseball or hockey game?

Anyway , that's my rant.


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Leo Enticknap
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When Princess Diana was given a demonstration of just how awful French drivers are, the cinema where I was working at the time was told to play the national anthem before the start of the first show after the funeral (morning shows had been cancelled).

It proved impossible to obtain a (copyright cleared) recording of the UK national anthem on its own, and in the end we had to buy a CD box set of all the world's anthems just for that one 2-minute track.

Looking through the lyrics of some of the others was quite fun, though - especially the anthems of some of the African dictatorships, most of which were about praising the glorious <insert name here>...


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Manny Knowles
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HEY!!!

That's pretty neat stuff there. I've sent in a request for the Beta tape. I love running stuff like that.

Can anybody in Los Angeles tell me if the LA Times Calendar Section still runs those trailers?

Let's see...the series included...

Special Effects (the guy in the coal mine)
Foley Artist (the woman doing footsteps editing)
Aerial Stunt ("the physics are right here!")
Gloria Estefan in Concert
First Day (the new gaffer looking for a "spinner," which is just a coffee stirrer)

...any others?

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John Hawkinson
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Since it took me a while to find contact information, the ECO people can be reached at +1 310 656 0577. They were happy to send me a variety pack of their 35mm PSAs (available in both flat and scope). They seemed to be looking for more theatres to run them.

--jhawk



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Manny Knowles
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John:

Thanks for that phone number. The website made no mention of 35mm film (just videotape formats).

I'm going to call them to place an order tomorrow.

What exactly did you get in that variety pack. I've got 20 screens, so I'd like to have an idea of what to ask for in order to cover them all.

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John Hawkinson
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I'm not really sure; it hasn't shown up yet. We'll see.

--jhawk

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John Pytlak
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Manny Knowles said: "The website made no mention of 35mm film (just videotape formats)."

As I said, Kodak donated the film for producing and distributing the environmental trailers, so 35mm prints definitely were made. I'm sure the ECO group would welcome theatres wanting to play 35mm prints. The videos provide a way of previewing the content, but don't do justice to the high production values in the film prints.

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Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
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Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
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John Hawkinson
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The variety pack came with a cover letter that asserts it contains:
. A Perfect Balance
. Connections
. Mother
. Why Are We Here
though the package also contains:
. The Hidden City
. He
it came in a mixture of flat and scope, at my request.

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Ken Lackner
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I do not like pre-show programming. I go to a movie to see the movie. A few (3-4) trailers are acceptable. I do not want to see TV commercials or PSAs. I certainly do not want to see the national anthem. I have heard of theaters doing this, but I have never seen it. If I did, I would complain.

We received 3 Spirit of America trailers and were told to play them in some of our smaller houses. No time frame was given. I played them for about 2 weeks. Eventually we lost the movies they were on, and I never bothered to place them anywhere else. I think I have one left. Anyone who wants it, it's yours. Let me just check to make sure we don't have to play it anymore. BTW, it's Flat.

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John Hawkinson
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I really think it depends. I agree that commercials or advertising are very troublesome. But a Short Subject is an excellent thing to have. We used to run them a lot more regularly, and are running them again this term.

A well-done PSA can hold some of the same value as a good short. Since I haven't actually seen these yet, I can't comment from personal experience in this case, but if the audience is amused or inspired to think in interesting ways, that's probably good enough.

--jhawk

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Frank Angel
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Ah, impatient youth! Ken, you are too young to remember when preshow material was PART of the theatre experience. There were cartoons, short subjects, trailers, even newsreel....none of which were ads and all of which provided welcomed entertainment "extras." Granted, times have changed, and audiences are more impatient nowadays (although their tollerance of such tacky, low-brow devices such as slide ads or commercials never ceases to amaze me), but we found that once we educated them to the classic presentation values -- we always run a cartoon, trailers, and short subjects when we can find them -- the audiences love it, appreciate it and are one of the reasons they often site for coming back to our theatre.

Well produced PSAs are also very much applauded and, as I said, produce a very positive image for the theatre. The PSAs from One Earth are exceptional works with spectacular production values and IMHO, are as much Academy Award material as any of the other shorts that win those awards. WHY WE ARE HERE and MOTHER are outstanding, compelling pieces of filmmaking. We are happy to put them on the screen, and the audiences reaction is always postive -- many times they get applause.

I may have told this story before, but once a patron complained that we wasted her time with all the "junk" we showed before the feature. That junk as she called it took hard work to obtain and book and was part of our whole presentation. I pointed out to her that all of our ads and press material make it a point of saying that we have programmed preshow music, and then we show cartoons and award-winning shorts before our feature films. We even give the starting time of the feature in addition to the starting time of the entire show. Then I told the box office people to memorize her face and never ever let her in our theatre again. My co-director told me we couldn't legally do that. How unfortunate.

Frank -- tanned and back from Florida.

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Dennis Atkinson
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Waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy back in the early 70's, commercials that played in theaters were made for theaters, not the same junk you got to see on the tube for free. I didn't mind seeing them because they were totally different. I don't know how anyone can watch the video on film commercials. Deluxe kinescopes for all!

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