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Adam Wilbert
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From: Bellingham, WA, USA
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 - posted 06-06-2002 05:01 PM      Profile for Adam Wilbert   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Wilbert   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Greg said: "There are theatres here which used to be THX certified and as soon as the owners dropped out of the THX program the quality of the presentation dropped off"

Simply being THX certified doesn't ensure a great performance any more than not being THX certifies ensures a poor performance. If you've got a built-to-spec auditorium, not being THX certified won't change that. It seems to me that dropping certification, in your example, is reflective in an overall drop in attention to quality, attention to detail, etc. on behalf of the management.

Joe: i would agree that most exhibitors seem to get off on cutting corners. From what I've heard, THX certification costs upwards of $1000 per screen per year. That could be better spent on added absorption panels, solid-core sound proof doors, and HVAC dampers etc. Doesn't Kodak have a TAP certification? perhaps its time to better exploit and market it as the THX replacement.(if it does, i'm not sure)... All we would need is a cool trailer and the public would DEMAND digital sound in a TAP certified auditorium!

(edit) in the other THX thread in yak somoeone mentioned a $10,000 price per screen per year for THX cert. YIKES! (edit)


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Joe Redifer
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TAP is actually a division of THX. You are thinking of Kodak Screencheck, which has zero marketing. They basically check for things such as screen illumination, uniformity and all that good stuff. They do (did?) have a trailer that is nearly 100% clear with little guys around the edges working. It's a great thing to use to show off how clean your presentation is. But it's waaaaay too long (longer than a snipe should be). I have one, but have never shown it to an audience since we were never "Screencheck Approved".


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Scott Norwood
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If this rumor is true, then THX has lost whatever credibility it still had with the exhibition industry, which is very sad.

THX was just about the only organization which, at one point, was able to help improve exhibition (sound) quality through standardization and certification and was able to sell the general public on the idea that not all theatres sound alike and that audiences are better served by choosing a THX-certified house over a non-THX house (not always true in practice, of course, but there are very few THX houses which sound genuinely bad).

I'm a beliver in the concepts behind THX certification, if not the current implementation, but the THX brand has been over-used lately (THX-approved VHS tapes and computer speakers!?!?) and emphasis seems to have drifted away from the theatrical end of things.

What is really unfortunate is that no one seems to be prepared to replace THX in this capacity. Kodak tried to do something similar with Screencheck (a good idea which didn't catch on), but that didn't really address all of the acoustical issues that THX does...it was more of a complement to THX rather than a replacement for it.

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John Pytlak
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Here's a link to the Kodak ScreenCheck program:
http://www.kodak.com/go/screencheck

The Kodak ScreenCheck Evaluation checks for obvious problems in sound, but does not do a full alignment. But it is more comprehensive than THX in looking at operational aspects of presentation, such as booth cleanliness and film handling procedures, and evidence of a good training and maintenance program. A full "report card" is shared with the theatre after each inspection, which is done every few months for theatres contracting for the service. I helped develop the ScreenCheck specifications, which are based on SMPTE standards and recommended practices.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion


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Joe Redifer
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I really wish ScreenCheck had more marketing. Sadly, I bet most theaters would fail. Perhaps this is why it hasn't taken the industry by storm.

Does this mean that people like Mark G are now Soundblaster Certified?


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John Pytlak
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Most theatres DID fail their first Kodak ScreenCheck inspection. Kodak then worked with them to address the issues found. Unfortunately, theatres find it hard to pay someone to tell them what is wrong with their operation.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion


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Joe Redifer
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quote:
Unfortunately, theatres find it hard to pay someone to tell them what is wrong with their operation.

I am not surprised at all. It is really sad. It's not like Kodak is just going in and saying "You suck! Fail!" and then running away with gobs of cash. They want to help improve what is wrong. But unfortunately most theaters think they are doing nothing wrong, and resent any suggestions on how anything could be improved. Why is that? Where do attitudes like that come from? Are the basic standards of the average human being too low? I hope I don't sound elitist but I am genuinely curious how mediocrity is allowed to shine.

PS - This is getting off topic, I am going to start a new thread about this. Please don't reply about my comments above in this thread. Instead reply in the thread titled "Mediocrity is King".


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Larry Shaw
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So are all the little plastic computer speakers that Creative makes THX approved now? Can we use Cambridge Soundworks bookshelf's behind the screen? Is the Sound Blaster board an approved cinema processor?

-Larry

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Gordon McLeod
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Only the SB16 is pproved

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Don Sneed
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since most of my work is done overseas (Such as Japan, Guam, Hawaii, & Jarkata)THX name is big in the theatre industry, almost every theatre being built oversea is a THX approve theatre....where in the states THX name is slowly dieing, THX is a big thing oversea, & I'm proud to be part of it there...

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Greg, Sorry bud, there are definately no good sound systems at all installed in theatres in Salt lake City or the surrounding areas!! The closest decent sound systems are in either Los Angeles, or Ontario Oregon!!

I totally agree with Joe that THX was so inconsistent that it was really more of a laugh than aything else. Those high grossing theatres would gross just as high without the name as they would with the name, no doubt the locations are far more important in the grosses than THX is.

Good heavens! Send my beloved R-2 to a creatve labs technician for calibration!!$%*^*#&? I don't think so.....
Joe, I could have alot of fun adding the Creative THX certification after my name . Certified by THX Blaster, Creative THX Recertification, etc. Actually, all of these have some real meaning anyway.
Mark @ GTS


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Greg Anderson
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Give me a break, please. I just saw Attack of the Clones again in a Jordan Commons THX-certified auditorium on Thursday (three weeks after opening day). I'm telling you that the sound was great and the picture looked great (It certainly looked better than the images from Minority Report which came on before the main feature). Don't tell me I have bad eyes and bad ears. Yes, it's possible that there are better theatres in Los Angeles. Who cares? I'm not driving all the way to L.A. just to see Star Wars. Is it possible that you've seen better equipment elsewhere, Mark? I don't doubt it. But from the seat downstairs everything works.

And when can we expect confirmation of this THX sale news other than what's being "confirmed" on Internet forums like this one?


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Phil Hill
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Ummmm Greg, I live in L.A. and I care.....

>>> Phil

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Joe Redifer
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Yeah Mark! Give Greg a break! That poor guy!

We have a couple of nice sounding theaters in the Denver area and a few theaters with potentially awesome sound but currently with poorly set crossovers and bad EQ. You don't even wanna know how the "tech" sets these crossovers!

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Well, Today we discovered a good reason why they should sell off THX.
Our crew has been re-installing a 5 screen theatre in Aspen, CO for the last couple of weeks and today while re-hanging the EAW surrounds we discovered that in one of the large theatres that one surround speakers had never even had wire run to it!! Obviously, the THX tech that handled this place didn't do his job too well but was apparently quite Creative(pun definately intended here)in how he fudged the certification. Since there are only two surrounds per rear channel(EX installation) the localization effect had to be pretty noticable.
Mark @ GTS

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