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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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 - posted 06-12-2002 01:56 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
How could the guy not have noticed the load difference? Maybe he did and he was just lazy?

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Steve Kraus
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 - posted 06-12-2002 09:05 AM      Profile for Steve Kraus     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Seems a bit hard to believe. Maybe whoever removed the equipment in the first place decided he needed some wire and pulled one home run strand out.

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Kris Brunton
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From: Napanee, Ontario, Canada
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 - posted 06-12-2002 11:10 AM      Profile for Kris Brunton   Email Kris Brunton   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have to agree with Mark G that it is entirly possible that the surround speaker was never hooked up.

When I was down to Lucas for the R2 training seminar we had to go to a local theater for training. On the second day they had us EQ auditoriums on our own. I ended up in one of the complexes large theaters with EX and the then prototype of the new crossover/monitor. When I got to the surrounds I found 1 speaker not terminated at the speaker and the other arrays not terminated properly in respect to back wall/side wall. This cause quite a bit of embaressment on the parts of the THX techs when I had to fix it. I even found myself on the top of a ladder terminating the speaker.

What really bugs me is the fact that a THX certified theater is supposed to be recertified on an annual basis. I know for a fact that these recertifications are not being done on the vast majority of theaters up here yet the theaters still claim "THX Certified" and are marketing this in the papers, on marquee's and in the theater. Why didn't THX put a stop to this.

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 06-12-2002 12:04 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
As long as the checks kept rolling in from theaters who were certified, THX was happy and saw no reason to do recerts. I've seen this many times. Unless a THX tech wants to explain differently, this is what I am forced to believe.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 06-12-2002 08:47 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It was VERY evedent that no wire was ever run to the speaker as there was no place to hook it up in the surround termination box. Also the effort to run the wire was up in the high pain level area of every day work stuff. Although we took the time to run the wore and re-wire the termination panel properly.
Granted the levels probably WERE able to match up as far as the mics were concerned because this is an EX system, but the localization effect had to be terrible for those sitting in the top rows of the seating. Also there have been no other missing wires in any of the other theatres. Imagine an 8.5 million dollar, 5 screen theatre put together like this, and then missed by Creative Industry Experts.
Mark @ GTS

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Adam Wilbert
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 - posted 06-13-2002 02:02 AM      Profile for Adam Wilbert   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Wilbert   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
at one of the theaters in my old chain, they had a janitor crew walk off with a subwoofer, which went unnoticed for several months. The theater operators noticed the sound problem, but didn't notify any of the technicians.

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Gordon McLeod
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 - posted 06-13-2002 09:31 AM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Part of the drill on a recert is that each speaker is rung out with a meter So someone cheated.
Also I have found that many theatres added the ex after a certification or recert and it took a year to get found out

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Rory Burke
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 - posted 06-14-2002 04:34 AM      Profile for Rory Burke   Email Rory Burke   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hello all...

I added my two cents on the film yak thread but I'll reiterate here briefly............first I'll say hello KRIS BRUNTON!!!!!! how have you been? Say hello to Al Dal and Terry for me up there in Napanee....you might remember me as the technician whom came up to your quebec sites and we had dinner with you and your girlfriend and took pictures (which I should send copies to you)all throughout Quebec and found that rock which was worn down by years of French sentry guards on that bridge/post. yes you probably remember me now I'm glad I wasn't there for that seminar you attended. Jees what a mess you think they would have scoped the place prior to the seminar. That was typical and not surprising at all. Attention to detail is non-existant what so ever!!

Anyways, I left THX almost two years ago (up to bigger and better things now) having certified over 300 theaters and studios all over the place; I never enjoyed the internal politics (3 ring circus) but in terms of THX selling 60% of their share well I say "What share?" They probably have more to gain now with this pseudo-merger than before for all the afore mentioned reasons. Simply put....business/marketing skills are not their strong point. They sold an image which in concept was Fantastic!!!.....up to date, "fully operational" picture and sound. Their way of implementation of their concept is where they falied. They completely disillusioned the customer. Instead of tightening their grip on Certs and recerts they dropped the ball. I failed many theaters which barely didn't make the cut Ex. NC31 or 2ms off on RT-60@125hz. Instead of helping techs enforce the "rules" they would let things slide if you will. I don't know how many times I had to conduct damage control with the client. Down talk on THX was just depressing and I took the brunt of it as I often had to repair the image. Recerts? HA!! Although I performed recertifications of many sites, there were just too many locations to properly and timely do. Just not enough of me to go around. I did my best though.....from checking speaker aiming....wiring....phase..localization...gain structure...to proper EQ techniques (LESS is best).....etc etc...my concience is clear....hell, how many techs actually took high Freq drivers off to verify and or adjust aiming(i must have found enough plasticine in those new horns that were left in during install to sell back to EV and JBL) ? hmmmm Well myself for one and I ran RP-40 and checked screen illumination too. During recerts I embarrasingly found discrepancies which adversly would have altered picture or sound quality during initial certification. I know that none of what I am pointing out is new nor shocking to all of you film-techers but only to bring out the great irony from and "inside perspective" I always found it curious that no one else but the technicians really new what a certification was all about and what it took to get done. Everyone just talked a big game. "Circus Carnies" have no business in true science.

Rory

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John Pytlak
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Here's a link to the June 12 Hollywood Reporter article about the THX spinoff:
THX Article in Hollywood Reporter

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion


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Ted Costas
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From: Hollywood, CA, USA
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 - posted 06-17-2002 02:26 PM      Profile for Ted Costas   Email Ted Costas   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I must admit, when we were "officially" told of the THX spin-off from Lucasfilm, I was hurt. Heck, my wife and I were going to try and win back the title of "Three-Legged Race Champions" at the Lucasfilm 4th of July Picnic (we won the heavily-desired title in 1992, almost 10 years ago). Although for the sake of THX, this is probably a good thing. Look at Pixar... not bad, huh? Here's a chance for THX to do it themselves, grow as their own company, and not be held back by a corporation with lots of other irons in the fire, and little time to focus on THX.

To me, and yes my last day with THX was May 17th, being part of Lucasfilm was special. Although I experienced the frustrations of a corporation making the final decisions most of the time, it was a great experience for me. And now, I'm at Dolby...

I'm not going to bash THX. They are a company full of potential. They lost me, but they still have a stockpile of talented individuals. Tim Schafbuch, Jose Alvarado, Dave Schnuelle, Martin Dew... The future of THX truly rests in their hands, and with the right leadership, the sky is the limit.

You know I wish the best for them, all of them. After all, they won't be going to the Lucasfilm 4th of July Picnic either...

Yours, Ted

Ted Costas
Director
Dolby Distributor Services

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