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German Marin
Expert Film Handler

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From: Verbania (VB), Italy
Registered: Jul 2001


 - posted 06-16-2002 10:39 PM      Profile for German Marin   Email German Marin   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
"Do you turn your amps off before you turn off the breaker to the sound cabinet? What about the monitor? What about the processor?"
I do it. I turn the amps, the monitor and the processor off.
I noticed the light in the booth go down for a moment just when I turned the Rack's breakers on, it does mean the the amplifiers needs a lot of current to be turned on. By other hand, my teacher is Mr. Volpi

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Ken Lackner
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Atlanta, GA, USA
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 - posted 06-16-2002 10:50 PM      Profile for Ken Lackner   Email Ken Lackner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thomas, I am almost positive you are referring to the RGM CM-4000 processor. There is a manual for it in the Manuals section. Check it out and let us know if that's the one. Did you also have wall-mounted automation of the same greenish color? That's made by RGM as well. (The reason I ask is because all theaters that I've seen that have one also have the other. These are all old Cobb theaters that I speak of.)


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Adam Martin
I'm not even gonna point out the irony.

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From: Dallas, TX
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 - posted 06-16-2002 11:59 PM      Profile for Adam Martin   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Martin       Edit/Delete Post 
Our 35mm sound rack power consists of two power strips plugged into what is probably a single circuit. I disclaim any hand in that brainiac move.

To answer the question, I have had great success with leaving the sound racks on at night, but muted.

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Thomas Procyk
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From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA
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 - posted 06-17-2002 04:46 PM      Profile for Thomas Procyk   Email Thomas Procyk   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ken -- Yep! The RGM MSS-4000 are the systems which were installed in that theater. Not sure about the automation. Those were also quite worn, but were all black. This was a Cobb theater before Regal acquired it. Even if everything else was off, and the volume turned all the way down, there would be a loud pop from the monitor whenever the system was powered up. They still use the RGM cabinets to house the new Dolby systems!!

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Jan Hackett
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From: Albuquerque, NM, USA
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 - posted 06-17-2002 07:36 PM      Profile for Jan Hackett   Email Jan Hackett   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In all 35 mm booths I have worked in we powered off the circuit breakers. In my lg forfat booth with 30000 watts of power, I power on processor and IDA then power amps slowly one by one all 12 of them. On shut down I do the reverse. This was dictated to me by Iwerks. I agree with Brad tho that it is easier to replace a breaker than a power switch but I can do both and I have yet had a power switch or breaker fail.

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Jan Hackett
Theater Operations Manager
Extreme Screen Dynatheater
NM Museum of Natural History Foundation

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Ken Lackner
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 - posted 06-17-2002 07:38 PM      Profile for Ken Lackner   Email Ken Lackner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thomas, since it was a Cobb theater, if the automation was console mounted, it was probablly the console version of the RGM SPATS II.

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David Stambaugh
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From: Eugene, Oregon
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 - posted 06-17-2002 07:46 PM      Profile for David Stambaugh   Author's Homepage   Email David Stambaugh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
An electrician once told me that using circuit breakers as power switches is not recommended because it can cause a breaker's trip rating to gradually rise or fall over a long period of time. In other words a 20A breaker might start functioning as a 22A or 18A breaker (for example).


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Manny Knowles
"What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???"

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From: Bloomington, IN, USA
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 - posted 06-17-2002 09:35 PM      Profile for Manny Knowles   Email Manny Knowles   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yeah...okay...I'll buy that

However, in the five theatres I've worked for and/or serviced over the past, say, ten years...I've only swapped out one three-phase breaker during a "process of elimination" and, as it turned out, that breaker was not the cause of our problem.

So, in fact, I've never actually had a breaker go bad.

My point? I think the electrician has a point, but the odds don't seem to be very high in favor of a premature failure.

Maybe it's a concern if the breakers are just no darn good for starters. I'm using "Square D" and I think that's a well-respected brand. (But I'm sure someone will let me know if it isn't. )

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"The brown acid that is circulating around is not specifically too good."

-- An announcement in the film, "Woodstock: 3 Days of Peace & Music."


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Mike Williams
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 - posted 06-18-2002 05:51 AM      Profile for Mike Williams   Email Mike Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
How many people leave exhaust fans running after closing? A booth I worked in back in Miami used to have a real humidity problem. It was very difficult to strike any of the bulbs in the morning presumably because of this during the first show. When we started leaving the exhaust fans running at night, the problem went away.

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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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From: Annapolis, MD
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 - posted 06-18-2002 05:56 AM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You best have a pretty darn clean booth then or the lamphouses will become the "filter" for the booth.

Steve

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"Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"

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Ken Lackner
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 - posted 06-18-2002 11:06 AM      Profile for Ken Lackner   Email Ken Lackner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We leave our exhaust fans on all night, too. This is Florida. You pretty much have too.

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Thomas Procyk
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 - posted 06-18-2002 11:41 AM      Profile for Thomas Procyk   Email Thomas Procyk   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I second that! We had a moisture/condensation problem happen on the reflectors if we didn't leave the exhaust fans on.

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Barry Floyd
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From: Lebanon, Tennessee, USA
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 - posted 06-18-2002 12:56 PM      Profile for Barry Floyd   Author's Homepage   Email Barry Floyd   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The church me and my family attend has a sound system that would probably rival many of the theatre systems I've seen. Since I run sound, lighting and media for the church, I work "hands on" with this stuff every week.

We have the main console which consist of two 36 channel Mackie boards, a separate rack which holds all of the CD players, tape decks, and the patch bay. Another rack in the booth has all of the wireless mic receivers, effects processors, assisted listening transmitters, etc.. In a room about 20 feet away from the booth we have a "processor rack", which holds all of the cross-overs, digital delays, EQ's, and a bunch of other stuff nobody knows what it does. Then finally in a 8'x10' room behind the choir loft (near the baptistry - approx. 80 feet away from the sound booth), we have the "AMP Room". It has three 8 foot high racks loaded floor to ceiling with Crown Macro-Tech amps and all of the cooling fans for the amps.

To turn this whole system on, you simply insert a key into the main console in the booth, then reach over and press the "START" button. It's one of those "sequencer" type of things, that turns on each set of equipment, in a predetermined order, several seconds apart. If you don't have a key.... you get NO sound - PERIOD. We had a really bad problem with the teenagers trying to figure out the sound system, and finally resulted to "total lock down". To turn the system off - same thing - just in reverse. Turn the key in the opposite direction and hit the "START" button again.

Two weeks ago, someone had a wedding photographer in for a wedding and the remote flash the photographer's assistant used was radio controlled. During the photo session before the wedding... every time the remote flash went off - the video screen started rising out of the back of the choir loft.... it's radio-remote controlled (like a garage door opener).

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Barry Floyd
Floyd Entertainment Group
Nashville, Tennessee
(Drive-In Theatre - Start-Up)

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Dave Williams
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 - posted 06-18-2002 06:26 PM      Profile for Dave Williams   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
SPeaking of radio signals, here in salt lake city, I work part time at a live stage theater called Hale Centre Theatre. We have a million dollar stage system that is truly one of a kind. It is circular, with four quadrants and a center circle. Each of these five sections move up and down either seperate from each other or together, and turn in either direction from a slow crawl to 11 mph to the outside ring, and the center plug can go in the opposite direction of the turn as well, whatever you program. It goes 11 feet into the pit, or five feet up, so we have many amazing things we can do with this stage during the course of a show. Now we have even added a second level to the stage, giving us two stages to play with, so we can do scene changes on the lower level in the pit while the actors play on the upper level.

And now back to why the hell you would care, when it was first installed, it used radio signals to control the movements. This resulted in constant shutdowns during productions in front of live audiences. Now we run off of a hardware network with an additional hardwire backup line in case of failure. Now the only thing that stops the stage is if an actor is smart enough to forget to get out of its way and sets off one of its extremely sensitive sensors.

Dave


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Phil Hill
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From: Hollywood, CA USA
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 - posted 06-18-2002 08:22 PM      Profile for Phil Hill   Email Phil Hill       Edit/Delete Post 
There are "switch duty" rated circuit breakers available.

>>> Phil


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