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Topic: Rectifier Diodes
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 08-10-2002 02:43 AM
One thing I will add that Rick didn't. An open diode will give a symtom of low bulb current (substantially lower, I might add) accompanied with shutter strobing on the screen.I don't like using capacitor checkers. They don't tell the full story. Looking back on electronic theory I seem to remember that if a capacitor checker is used to check capacitance and the results are higher than expected, the capacitor is electrically leaking. Can someone refresh my memory on that?
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John Walsh
Film God

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From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 08-11-2002 03:27 PM
I wrote a procedure to check Irem rectifiers, which I did on a yearly basis (I wish I had that kind of time today!) A person might be able to apply it to other makes.Several people at Amprobe and Irem's US reps told me that using an AC clamp on amp meter would not be too accurate. Several people would try to use their AC clamp-on meter, since ripple is a form a of AC. People might take issue with my suggesting to disconnect the AC ground to the 'scope. Battery-operated 'scopes were mostly dream when I wrote this. So, use at your own risk, and let common sense prevail, but I still do it this way today. Determining the percentage of ripple in power supplies for short-arc xenon lamphouses. This procedure also checks for any error in the voltage and/ or ammeter. Before beginning, verify that the power supply is operating at or below the AMPERAGE shown on the power supply nameplate. 1. With a small flat head screwdriver, "zero" the volt meter and ammeter (if installed). 2. Set the oscilloscope to 10 millivolts per division; the time base to 20 milliseconds per division. Avoid using "X10" probes. There are no special triggering requirements, AC or "AUTO" will work. Note: Since the oscilloscope will be reading DC, greater accuracy can be obtained by adjusting the scope's baseline to the bottom of the screen, rather then to the center. 3. Place the auto-ignition switch to "MANUAL". 4. Open the lamphouse door and defeat the door interlock safety switch. 5. Observing proper polarity, connect a calibrated volt meter to the DC power cables. 6. Power on the lamphouse. The bulb should not ignite while the auto-ignition switch is in "MANUAL". 7. Compare the voltage reading from each volt meter. Record the values. Replace the meter in the lamphouse if the values are more then 15% apart. 8. Remove the power to the lamphouse while the meter is still connected. 9. While observing the voltage decrease, listen for the RA relay (inside the rectifier) to drop out. Record this value. It should be between 30 to 45 volts. Note: It should take longer then 10 seconds for the meter to reach zero. 10. Remove the volt meter when the value reaches zero. 11. Power on the lamphouse. a. Press the "STRIKE" button to ignite the lamp OR: b. If there is no "STRIKE" button: Flip the auto-ignition switch to "AUTO", then immediately return it to "MANUAL" after the bulb is lit.
The auto-igniter must be disabled. If the bulb should go out, it can not re-ignite and injure someone connecting leads or damage test equipment. 12. Connect the oscilloscope across the ammeter shunt. Record Imax (total peak voltage) Record Imin (minimum peak voltage) Calculate ripple and record. The percentage of ripple should be less then 10%. Note that the oscilloscope may have to be isolated by plugging a ground adapter in series with the oscilloscope's power line. Use caution. 13. Record the lamphouse ammeter value. Because the ammeter shunt reduces the actual current value to the lamphouse ammeter by 1/3000, there will be 3 amps for every 1 millivolt shown on the oscilloscope. Therefore, the amperage can be calculated by multiplying Imax, in millivolts, times 3000. For example: 36 mv * 3000 = 108 amps Note that this test requires an accurate 150 mv shunt. 14. Compare the readings from the ammeter and the calculated current. Record the values. Replace the meter in the lamphouse if the values are more then 15% apart. 15. Return the door safety interlock switch to normal. The following information should have been recorded: The date of testing. The lamphouse model, serial number, and location. The power supply model and serial number. The values: Imax; Imin; operating lamphouse voltage; actual voltage; operating amperage; actual amperage; RA relay drop- out voltage; percentage of ripple.
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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 08-11-2002 03:54 PM
Or...Just pitch the IREM altogether and install your favorite other brand and watch the lamp life increase and realize, it was probably the ripple in the beautiful to look at but horrible power IREM rectifier. Christie rectifiers powering Christie lamps...has got to be the toughest act to beat. To consistantly obtain 2-3 times rated life out of lamps, regardless of size speaks to their construction. Steve ------------------ "Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"
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Mark Gulbrandsen
Resident Trollmaster

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From: Music City
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 08-11-2002 09:24 PM
Steve, I have to adamantly disagree with you on the Christie rectifier thing. They are sooooooooooooooooooooooo old fashioned that its almost a joke. There are other brute force rectifiers I'd use over a Christie any day. Man, I've had less problems with Eprad rectifiers than Christies. I do however agree with you on the majority of Irems though. They put out dirty DC,typically 9 to 10% ripple on a new unit, and have enough of their own problems to fill the Titanic. However, Christies are way under heatsinked, use crappy cheapo IR epoxy filled diodes that WILL fail in alot less time than others that use glass sealed type. The crappy red fibreglass board that all the high power connections, in fact all the connections period attach to compresses and allows things to loosen up over time and connections to get hot and burn up. About as good as Kneisley there! I can't begin to tell you how many Christie rectifiers I have done service calls on in 20 years. WAY more than any other single brand indeed. These days switchers are in and provide the best source for a lamp one can get. They are super reliable and don't allow the current to drop during electrical brownouts(within reason). Sure, they have the one downside that they usually cannot be repaired in the field, but it only takes 5 min to change one out, alot less time than it takes to change diodes in a Christie. Gee, on the SLC consoles Christie finally put a fan on the heatsink..... Its about time. They went for years with out them in the H series. JOhn, Osram use to have a standard .1% accuracy shunt they would send out for investigating lamp failures. Your procedure is very correct except I used a storage scope instead and also measured and calculated inrush current at the same time, using the same shunt. I ahev an ORC ripple and inrush meter that I ahve had for years. Is till use it fairly often and ahve compared it to the standard shunt on one occasion. The amprobe they use is an AC/DC version and it feeds a special circuit in a black box. The calibration of the ORC unit was pretty close to the standard shunt so I always just stuck with the ORC system. Mark
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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 08-11-2002 09:40 PM
You can disagree all you want and critique the age of the Christie design...it still works best...it will make any lamp last longer.So basically, what you are saying is to use glass filled diodes and everything will be fine on the diode failure front? Hmm. Seems like a cheap solution to me. The current Christie standalones all have fans on them and Christie was putting fans on their console units about halfway into the K series. As to switchers vs Christie...even Cineplex pulled the switchers out for the Christies at the Uptown after the 6th failure...the result, no rectifier failures in years and much improved lamp life. Mark, you know that newer isn't necessarily better...it isn't an excuse to use something...what switchers bring to the table is size and weight. I do use them for smaller lamps...look at my picture in the picture test thread..there is a Strong switcher sitting nicely between the Kinoton's feet, like it was sized to go there! Steve ------------------ "Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"
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John Walsh
Film God

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From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 08-12-2002 09:10 PM
The equipment I service is almost all Xetron consoles with IREM power supplies. We usually get 3 times the rated hours on a bulb; often I will (or I'll suggest) they be changed just because there's so many hours on them I think they might blow up. I think IREMs are very reliable. YMMV, but I find airflow to be much more important than the make of power supply.In our entire chain, we've changed very few diodes. But for some reason, I've had to change 6 within the last two months; At two separate theaters the same thing happened; two went in the same power supply, then one in the house next to it. Each one went a few weeks apart from another. Very strange. At our Miami FL location, the power is always going out, brownouts, etc. but no diodes have blown. In our Trumbull CT location where the power is well regulated, three have gone bad in the last 2 months. So, go figure. I also see no "logic" in changing out all diodes if just one is bad (unless, as Gordon pointed out, there is a specific reason.) IREMs are convection cooled, so I thought they might be overheating since they are now being placed in an enclosed console. But many older consoles are sill working fine, so I don't know.
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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 08-12-2002 10:05 PM
Mark,Perhaps your customers don't see it but I have repeatedly. As to IREM, they consistently rack up the shortest hours with the most ripple. Steve ------------------ "Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"
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John Walsh
Film God

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From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 08-14-2002 06:10 PM
I'm not totally convinced that ripple plays a large part in determining bulb life. I'm not saying I couldn't be convinced..... Obviously, if it was like 40%, well sure.I measured several electrical parameters of IREM rectifiers, ripple being one of them. Now, I gathered this data about 15 years ago, but, at least at that time, Steve was right. The 15 IREM's power supplies I measured had ripple between 9 and 18%, only one was really low. But we didn't have any bulb problems, so as I say, I don't know about bulb life vs. ripple.
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