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Karen Hultgren
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 - posted 12-10-2002 12:46 PM      Profile for Karen Hultgren   Author's Homepage   Email Karen Hultgren   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The bi-phase you are referring to is what we call "TACH". It is used on many shaft emcoders to sync up the mag sound track with the picture track (as when running a "double-system" screening). The DTS-E175 can use that as a start to send DTS timecode to the DTS player.

Karen at DTS
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Steve Kraus
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Karen, has that gained any use as a way to run double system previews as I've long advocated or is it pretty much a special venue thing?

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Gordon McLeod
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The JSK timecode generator will provide a tach to DTS with a special eprom in it

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Karen Hultgren
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Hi Steve,

Right now, the E175 is used on special venue only.

Karen at DTS
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Gordon McLeod
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Two links to JSK products of interest
http://www.jskengineering.com/product%20pages/prod05.htm
http://www.jskengineering.com/product%20pages/prod01.htm

I have several of the generators and find them very reliable

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John Hawkinson
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Wow, people actually add extra sprockets to the film path to add shaft encoders? I was under the impression that most double-system work involved adding shaft encoders to already-present driven shafts.

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Gordon McLeod
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Adding a shaft encoder is not as simple as it might appear
The number of pulses per frame must match the device being driven
any where from Westrex/RCA standard of 48Hz to 960Hz for Magnatech to 2400Hz for MTM (in quadrature as well)
This usually entails drilling a hole in the back cover of the projector and machineing a new shaft and attaching a timeing pulley to drive a shaftencoder of the correct number of pulse per rev
The new JSK allows a software adapation Far better

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Steve Kraus
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That's why the idea of a sprocket with a couple of pad rollers in a device not unlike a DTS TC reader that bolts atop a projector has a lot of merit for a temp setup to run a preview off DTS disks.

Not that the normal hookup, especially a temporary one, is that big a deal. On a Century a pulley goes on the front of the shutter shaft and the encoder bracket can hang off one of the back cover screw holes.

For a Simplex with a 5-Star there is a shaft reducer that goes on the rear of the motor drive pulley (drill and tap three holes or just swap the pulleys with one so modified. Shaft encoder mounts to a stud which screws into one of the back cover thumbscrew holes. For a permanent installation the latter is done along with a back cover that has the lower right part cut away. For a Century or older Simplex with a front shutter shaft a bracket to mount the encoder more properly atop the machine is easily fabricated. I've put them on Super Simplexes and E-7's that way. And removed them from DeVry's! Century is similar but I didn't actually make that pair.

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