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Antonio Marcheselli
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posted 04-16-2003 08:09 PM

I Saw a DTS logo on a old movie movie... on TV, on our national station (that broadcasts MONO)!!!! [Smile]

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Brad Miller
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posted 04-16-2003 08:55 PM

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Projectionists would get fresh snipes every time, which would be nice. But it would also be an invitation for some dishonest operator of a mono house to misuse them in an attempt to hoodwink customers.

Actually Bobby, if they made the analog track nothing but a voice telling them that they were NOT hearing digital sound and to immediately complain to the management it wouldn't be a problem at all. If they don't want to get that direct, they could fill the analog track up with screeching noises. [evil]

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Scott Norwood
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posted 04-16-2003 09:05 PM

Even better idea: record buzz-track, pink noise, Dolby tone, L-R, and C-S test tones on the optical track. This would prevent anyone (with a brain) from playing it in a non-digital house and would also give them something useful to help in aligning non-digital systems.

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Daniel Fuentz
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posted 04-16-2003 09:27 PM

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I Saw a DTS logo on a old movie movie... on TV, on our national station (that broadcasts MONO)!!!!

I can tell you from experience, most TV station folks will run whatever logos are attatched to the tapes they're sent without even thinking about how misleading/redundant they are. The station I worked at, someone had entered in a film with the movie studio's "Home Video" logo at the start of the movie.

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John Pytlak
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posted 04-17-2003 08:28 AM

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The station I worked at, someone had entered in a film with the movie studio's "Home Video" logo at the start of the movie.

Well, watching on-air television at home is "home video", isn't it? [Wink]

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 04-17-2003 06:10 PM

A TV station ran a DTS trailer on the front of a movie? Hmmm. That makes me wonder if they were playing something off of a DVD or Laserdisc. DTS didn't appear theatrically until 1993. But there is a number of DVDs (and past LDs) of older films using DTS to deliver the sound.

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Aaron Garman
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posted 08-21-2003 04:26 AM

Was just doing some thread searching and found this one. Any updates on a new DTS trailer Karen?

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Manny Knowles
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posted 09-30-2003 02:15 PM

For the first time I noticed the DTS scope trailer says "REV'D" on the identification label. What got changed?

Also -- are "Flying Disc" and "Stand Alone" the exact same trailer with different names? Or are there subtle differences between the two that I haven't noticed?

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 09-30-2003 05:29 PM

Manny - "Stand alone" just refers to the trailer that is not attached to a feature. The original "flying disk" trailer was attached to each print of a feature, then later they shipped the trailers separately.

I always thought "flying disk" was a misnomer. Sounds more like an industrial steel foundry accident to me.

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Antonio Marcheselli
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posted 09-30-2003 05:49 PM

I always thought that DTS could provide different soundtracks at the same trailers... It could be a way to change a bit the trailers without make a completely different release of it! The theaters hold the print and DTS make differents soundtracks on cds!

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Manny Knowles
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posted 09-30-2003 06:01 PM

I believe that we tend to get bored with both the image and the sound equally. Therefore, I have serious doubts that changing the sound (only) could be very satisfying.

Personally, I know I would find this approach to be frustrating because I would interpret it as a signal that they simply have no intentions of ever updating the logo trailer itself.

How long has it been since we've had a new DTS snipe anyway?

In January, Karen wrote:

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marketing is keeping the trailer under wraps

Wow! It's now September. An independent studio could have released two whole movies between then and now. This next snipe is gonna be HUGE! (I can tell.)

Seriously -- How long does it take to make a 30-second logo trailer? I know somebody out there has production stats on logo trailers. I'm counting on it.

I just hope that the DTS people decide to keep away from those "Sonic Landscape" creators. That trailer was weak.

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Brad Miller
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posted 09-30-2003 06:48 PM

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I just hope that the DTS people decide to keep away from those "Sonic Landscape" creators. That trailer was weak.

That foolishness cost them customers too. Some theaters who installed dts as a way to bring digital in at the lowest possible cost (over Dolby or Sony) have since sold their dts players and put forth the extra bucks for Dolby Digital. Their reasoning was because they spent all that money and wanted to be able to show off the system and advertise it...but the dts logos are a joke. I must say, I agree. 30 seconds of Joe farting on camera would probably be more impressive.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 09-30-2003 07:13 PM

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Also -- are "Flying Disc" and "Stand Alone" the exact same trailer with different names? Or are there subtle differences between the two that I haven't noticed?

The last time I looked at the trailers listed on a DTS CD-ROM disc, it had both "DTS Standalone Trailer" and "DTS Sonic Landscape" listed. So my guess would be the "standalone trailer" thing is the official name of what most of us refer to as the "flying disc" thingie.

A wider variety of DTS trailers would be nice. I've been tired of seeing "sonic landscape" used on lots of DVDs with DTS tracks. Time for something aggressive. Dolby has what now, 10 or so theatrical trailers? That's really amazing considering next to no theaters play them and hardly anything on DVD has ever used them either. Quite a shame.

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Manny Knowles
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posted 09-30-2003 07:46 PM

Brad asked:

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Anyone know who mixed that original version? I'm betting it was Gary Rydstrom.

I don't know who mixed the ORIGINAL but here's the info I have...

TRAIN -- Premiered July, 1992 -- Mixed by Randy Thom, Skywalker Sound -- The first trailer for the Dolby Digital format. Originally created with the Dolby Stereo logo, it was later revised to incorporate the newer Dolby Digital logo -- Cat. 4185 (Flat) or 4235 (Scope)

CITY -- Premiered July, 1995 -- Original Mix by Pacific Ocean Post Sound. Remixed by Terry Porter, Walt Disney Studios -- Created as a tribute to a Dolby Stereo "Theatre" campaign from the 80's -- Cat. 5185 or 5235

EGYPT -- Premiered December, 1996 -- Mixed by David Parker, Saul Zaentz Film Centre -- Cat. 6185 or 6235

CANYON -- Premiered October, 1996 -- Mixed by David Parker, Saul Zaentz Film Centre -- Cat. 7185 or 7235

TEMPLE -- Premiered December, 1996 -- Mixed by David Parker, Saul Zaentz Film Centre -- Dolby SR only (no digital) -- Cat. 8185 or 8235

RAIN (SR•D-EX) -- Premiered December, 1998 -- Sound Design by Marco d"Ambrosio, MarcoCo and Mixed by Gary Rizzo, Skywalker Sound -- The first Dolby trailer with Dolby SR•D-EX sound. Debuted with "Star Trek: Insurrection" -- Cat. 9185 or 9235

AURORA (SR•D-EX) -- Premiered May, 1999 -- Sound Design by Marco d'Ambrosio, MarcoCo and Mixed by David Parker, Saul Zaentz Film Centre -- Debuted with "Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace" -- Cat. 11185 or 11235

That doesn't count the ones I have not seen (in theatres):

WATERFALL (SR•D-EX) -- Premiered July, 2000 -- Sound Design by Marco d'Ambrosio, MarcoCo and Mixed by David Parker, Saul Zaentz Film Centre -- Debuted with "X-Men"

PERSPECTIVES (SR•D-EX) -- Premiered May, 2003

Anyone know the Cat. numbers for the "Waterfall" and "Perspectives" trailers?

That's nine trailers right there (including "Temple" which is SR only; no digital). Wouldn't it be nice to have a digital track on "Temple"? It doesn't have to say "Dolby Digital" on-screen but it would be nice to know that if a movie got upgraded to a digital house that we wouldn't necesarily need to fret over it.

Any others?

Note: Premiere and Mix data from the Dolby DVD "Explore Our World."

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 09-30-2003 09:38 PM

I agree that the Sonic Landscape is boring and DTS has done a downright crappy job of promoting itself via trailers, but has anyone really gotten out of DTS simply because of the trailers?!

I have a former employee whose husband works as an editor at a film/video production house in Spokane...they would do an awesome job on a DTS trailer.

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