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Michael Cunningham
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 186
From: Anchorage, AK
Registered: Nov 1999

posted 03-19-2003 10:38 AM

Ah, thanks for the clarification Scott, that makes a lot more sense than what I was trying to envision, heh. Even with the bit of modification work and limited utility that still sounds like quite the useful innovation.

- Mike

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Don Olson
Film Handler

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From: Seattle WA
Registered: Jul 99

posted 03-20-2003 12:17 PM

I have moved hundreds of prints this way. Some platters wind them up tighter than others. You need to put something in the center ring to keep it in place. Jammed into the gap. Then put a plastic spatula under to get it started. If it feels solid when you start......go for it. If not......use two people and keep it horizontal. It's all in the technique.....Plus you need to be tall enough and strong enough. More than 8 reels is very dangerous. I tried to move a 70mm print of Close Encounters ( the remake with added scenes) alone one night. I got it just off the platter and it drove me to the floor. I was laying there, pinned under, it when a pal came looking for me. Together we were able to get me out and move it down the hall.

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Steve Kraus
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From: Chicago, IL, USA
Registered: May 2000

posted 03-20-2003 12:45 PM

Jeez...what did you expect with that mass of film which would be difficult to lift even if in a convenient form, which a platter roll is not?

As a general question:

Must everything revolve around taking shortcuts to save 3 seconds here, 5 minutes there?

Look at the discussion about single sided splicing. Why...why...why?

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 03-20-2003 12:48 PM

Awwwww, come on Steve. Haven't you ever moved a plattered 70mm print of Titanic by yourself? Just slide it off and flip it over your shoulder. No big deal. It's only about 4 feet in diameter and about 200 pounds. Again, no big deal.

Of course I'm kidding though. That would be suicide. I would make further comments, but I need to save a few seconds so I'll skip typing any further.

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Steve Kraus
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From: Chicago, IL, USA
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posted 03-20-2003 12:56 PM

No, but I know someone with a 70mm print of Lawrence, kept in two platter rolls. But I doubt he tries to move them single handed.

Maybe if everyone asked themselves if this was my personal print of my favorite movie, would I:

Move it platter to platter solo (if more than a moderate length)
Build it with single sided splices
Put foreign matter on it to show the breaks
Use anything but clear tape
Try to break it down while running it

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 03-20-2003 01:00 PM

I think you may have stumbled upon something that will be repeated time and time again on these forums. If it was YOUR print, would YOU treat it like that? [Smile]

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Bill Langfield
Master Film Handler

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From: Prospect, NSW, Australia
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 03-21-2003 07:45 AM

Don, you must be CRAZY!!!!
How on earth did you expect to be able to move that print on your own?

How many 70mm screens are you running to require a swap? We only have one. (well 2 if the dts only one is included)

I get in trouble (well not trouble, but 'you should not be doing that on your own') from everyone (floor staff/management) for swinging a 5 reeler (35mm) off the platter and walking through the foyer with it without help.

Anything over 6 reels, I make sure I get help and we move it in a sleeve/envelope.

But to do it with a a 2 hour + 70 mm, Im sure you are NUTS!!! [Smile]

Bill.

BTW: With very few prints available these days in 70mm I think that is bad to handle the film that way - However you WERE joking right?

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Glen Rich
Film Handler

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From: Nedlands, Western Australia
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 03-21-2003 10:51 AM

When it comes to moving film from the plates ,between boxes I have a large wood and laminate film carrier which the film slides off the plate and into .To reduce the chance of scratching I've stuck a few bits of felt to the underside of the centre rings .
The use of film carriers is common in most cinema's here ,(Australia) ,with some people making there own to fit the larger prints.
Working in a single projectionist per shift box I've never had a problem moving prints with a carrier regardless of size,(though I've never had to deal with 70mm ).
If I came in and found one of the reverse shift operators moving a print without a carrier they'd get a serious kick up the rear end .
Having said that ,what do you mean by a film "clamp".

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David Stambaugh
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From: Eugene, Oregon
Registered: Jan 2002

posted 03-21-2003 11:00 AM

Glen, Look in the "TIPS" area for info & pics on clamps. To me, they look kind of ill-conceived, but what do I know.

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Evans A Criswell
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From: Huntsville, AL, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 03-21-2003 01:24 PM

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Haven't you ever moved a plattered 70mm print of Titanic by yourself? Just slide it off and flip it over your shoulder. No big deal. It's only about 4 feet in diameter and about 200 pounds.

It would weigh 33 percent more than me. I could see the headlines -- "Man freed after being trapped all night in a projection booth after being pinned under a 70mm print of Titanic". [Big Grin]

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from)
Registered: Jun 2002

posted 03-21-2003 01:30 PM

That's too long Evans! It'd have to read:

MAN TRAPPED UNDER TITANIC

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Steve Kraus
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From: Chicago, IL, USA
Registered: May 2000

posted 03-21-2003 01:33 PM

The captain always goes down with the ship, Evans.

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Peter Schoell
Film Handler

Posts: 47
From: Paynesville, MN, USA
Registered: Jul 2001

posted 03-22-2003 11:10 PM

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I recall some companies are making "platter disks" that are thin rigid doughnut-shaped disks that can be placed on the platter when a print will need to be moved. The film is wound up normally on top of the disk, and the disk is simply lifted up with the film on top and transferred to another platter.

Who are the manufacturers? Kelmar? Goldberg? Speco? Stuart A/V? Others?

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist

Being an owner (tightwad) I made some discs like this about 12 years ago. I just cut a couple of sheets of aluminum, one for the top one for the bottom. I laid the bottom one on the platter before taking up, then the top on at the finish. For extra security I'd made some clamps out of the left over aluminum. The whole thing was a little overkill, but I was able to move even a bad (perf damage) print without a problem.
The clamps are about 4 inches wide and were formed by bending them over a 2x4, they then fasten together with 2 strips of velcro at right angles to each other. The whole thing was under $20.00

I don't use the discs anymore , but still use the clamps once and a while. I've since made some horse shoe shaped carriers out of 1/4 inch masonite I can slip under the whole print. These are better because I don't have to think ahead, and even better they were only $5.00.

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Patrick de Groot
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From: Sprang-Capelle, Netherlands
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 03-23-2003 05:21 PM

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Glen, Look in the "TIPS" area for info & pics on clamps. To me, they look kind of ill-conceived, but what do I know.

Uhm is that take-off unit fixed?? That realy is a bad thing... When moving a print I remove the take-off unit, lift up the ring a bit to release the pins from the holes and slide it over the edge of the platter with one hand under the print and one holding the ring. No problems with moving prints up to 7 reels when winded up thight... The same with 9, but then I'm extra cautious.

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