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Author Topic: Attached Trailers Nicholas Roznovsky Expert Film Handler Posts: 156 From: College Station, TX, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 05-01-2003 12:47 AM                        You don't need to prints to show up on Wednesday or Tuesday to check which trailers are attached to it. I know that prints sometimes arrive later than we'd like them to (and art houses are a different beast than those of us getting one of umpteen million prints from TES), but in the end it doesn't really excuse cutting corners during build up. Of course, I'm also of the mindset that my employees should stay longer if it means the difference between a half-ass job and doing something correctly. Unfortunately, I know that a lot of chains and/or individual managers don't share that opinion and want to cut payroll hours wherever they can. It sucks when someone above you is demanding perfection in five minutes. Upon reading my previous post again, it looks like I was agreeing with the "lazy projectionist" argument, but I do realize that many managers are unsympathetic and unrealistic concerning time demands with their booth staff. Just another example pointing out that "Film Done Wrong" doesn't have to start in the booth.  |  IP: Logged Mark Maxwell Film Handler Posts: 55 From: Tyler, TX, USA Registered: Jul 2002 posted 05-02-2003 01:46 AM                     That is true that some you can call to see what the attached preview is. As far as building up previews early, nobody I called could tell me if it was flat or scope. Not a big deal if you are going from flat trailors to a scope movie. If you have scope trailors and a flat movie, some customers assume there is something blocking the lense, and they don't know enough about film to even comprehend the eplanation you give them.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 05-02-2003 09:49 AM                    quote: it's easier to print the attached trailer as part of the printing negative for reel 1. Easier than what? They print the trailers stand alone anyway. Seems to me that printing stand alone trailers AND printing as part of a print is more work. Just throw one in the can!  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-02-2003 10:19 AM                        When trailers are printed individually, are they separated and labelled by machine, or is it a manual process involving lots of workers at rewind benches winding trailers onto cores and attaching the stickers by hand?  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 05-02-2003 10:20 AM                        Mark Marshall wrote: quote: Easier than what? They print the trailers stand alone anyway. Seems to me that printing stand alone trailers AND printing as part of a print is more work. Just throw one in the can! If there is no print splice between the attached trailer and the feature, the trailer was printed as part of the printing negative for reel 1. That's easier to do than printing separately, and splicing it onto every print. Scott asked: quote: When trailers are printed individually, are they separated and labelled by machine, or is it a manual process involving lots of workers at rewind benches winding trailers onto cores and attaching the stickers by hand? In most cases, splicing on attachments is still a manual job in the lab "positive assembly" department, or at the exchange. There may be some automation, such as a programmable footage counter.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 05-02-2003 11:32 AM                     John, I think you misunderstood Scott's question. He is asking of the production of trailers on 1" trailer sleeves is automated, or if some individual has to load up the core on a trailer flange, tape the leader down to the core, and then cut at the end, lather rinse repeat. I'm still amazed that my earlier post was not understood. The reason studios attach trailers is because they care about trailer placement at the first place that print runs, and they believe an attached trailer is much more likely to be selected to be played than any enclosed trailer in the can. I think they are almost certainly right! --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-02-2003 11:54 AM                        What jhawk said. I would assume that the lab would print up a full 2000' (or whatever) roll which contains many copies of the same trailer. This would then need to be separated into individual trailers to be sent out to theatres. If this process needs to be done manually, then I can see why it would be very expensive to produce, say, 3000 individual prints of a particular trailer versus simply printing them directly at the beginning first reel of the feature, which would save significant labor expenses.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 05-02-2003 12:00 PM                        Individual trailers are almost always printed from "looped" negatives. The prints typically come off the processing machine as 2000-foot rolls or longer. Then they are wound onto individual cores or hubs for distribution to theatres. AFAIK, mostly a manual operation.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 05-04-2003 09:34 PM                    quote: AFAIK, mostly a manual operation. OOOooh. That explains a lot. For some reason, I just figured it was mostly automated. Thanks. Now I see how it would make financial sense.  |  IP: Logged Mark Maxwell Film Handler Posts: 55 From: Tyler, TX, USA Registered: Jul 2002 posted 05-05-2003 01:41 AM                     This became a pretty heated debate. I'm not sure Iv'e seen so many good arguments, or exerts from other replies, that had so much to do with what happenes before the main presentation. All I can say is ask upper management what they want, ask the the trailor list specify flat or scope and what the attached trailor is, and whether the attached one be shown or not. That way, all you have to do is make sure it is presented right. Whatever was shown was out of your' hands and you are not responsable for.  |  IP: Logged

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