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Author Topic: It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World -- Seeking Trims & Misc. Footage Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 05-12-2003 01:34 AM                        Starting from wide format originals, I'd hazard a guess at well over 4k. Do his res film scanners and laser recorders exist which can run 65/70mm elements?  |  IP: Logged Frank Aston Film Handler Posts: 54 From: Albrighton, Shropshire, UK Registered: May 2000 posted 05-12-2003 01:44 AM                     Unfortunatly I can't be of any help regarding IAMMMMW but thanks to Brad and this board for the opportunity to thank and congratulate the great Robert Harris for his wonderful work on film restoration. Robert. You have made possible some of the most unforgettable, movie experiences of the past couple of decades. I for one never dreamed I'd be able to see the likes of LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, SPARTACUS and MY FAIR LADY back where they belong on the BIG SCREEN. Good luck with IAMMMMW and once again deepest thanks and best wishes. Frank Aston.  |  IP: Logged Robert Harris Film Handler Posts: 95 From: Bedford Hills, NY, USA Registered: May 2003 posted 05-12-2003 07:25 AM                     Gordon, Mutiny should not need any actual restoration, as it has never been re-cut and seldom printed. As it was probably shot on 5251, there should be little dye fade. The greatest problem would be splices opening from age and cleaning. The only real work that would need to be done would be the production of a new 65mm IP, a bit of color timing, another IP and a dupe for printing. The term "film restoration" has lost its meaning these days and tends to be overused, usually by publicists.  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 05-12-2003 05:52 PM                        I recall seeing pictures of what looked like the original camera negatives of "IT'S A MAD MAD MAD MAD WONDERFUL WORLD" that Ronald Epstein had posted at the Home Theatre Forum some time ago. in his report, Ron Epstein had told the readers of Mr Harris's effort to find all the missing film and sound elements so he can restore the film to the way it was first presented when it was first shown during it world premiere road showing. What I saw was a mess and the elements looked like they could not be salvaged but I could be wrong. I would sure like to see the complete film either in a theatre in UP 70mm or on a beautifully replecated DVD of images made directly from a 70mm print with the true full Ultra Panavasion ratio of 2.76.1. The full version is a must because the current DVD on the market is not as good as the original from what I could tell by comparing it to the 'almost' complete laserdisc box set edition. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 05-12-2003 06:09 PM                     Claude There isn't a "Wonderful" in the title.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 05-12-2003 06:12 PM                     There are a number of film scanners that can handle 70mm gauge film as well as other formats like 8/35. Most 70mm CGI work is done for special venue in 8/70 and 15/70 formats. I hope IAMMMMW is able to be fully restored, but I also hope any digital work is done at as high a resolution as possible. 4K should be the starting point for any 5/70 work and perhaps arguably pushed higher than that. 70mm has lots of potential to make any computer generated flaws visible. I laughed out loud at the end titles of "Fantasia 2000". You could see the rasterized pixel blocks plain as day on the 15/70 print. That's the sin of throwing in something too low in rez. It might be forgivable when someone throws a crude, stupid 72ppi JPEG into a trifold brochure publication made at 200lpi. But low rez computer stuff on film really sucks in giant form.  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 05-12-2003 07:23 PM                        Hi Bill. Thanks for the correction. So far, it has been a WONDERFUL day for me so I just felt like adding it to the title of the movie. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 05-12-2003 07:48 PM                     Hi Claude I just saw the pictures on your site. Those are some Wonderful shots that you have taken. Very Nice Bill During the 25th Anniversary of the Cinerama Dome they showed a 35mm print of "Mad World". They also missing a change-over on that show. It showed a few days later with another print that was a pan/scan print. But for the final night they got another 35mm scope print to show. I was at the first night screening and sat next to Saul Bass and his daughter.  |  IP: Logged Robert Harris Film Handler Posts: 95 From: Bedford Hills, NY, USA Registered: May 2003 posted 05-13-2003 08:45 AM                     We're currently working on the restoration of Williamsburg: The Story of a Patriot for the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation, which is a Vista production. After a great deal of experimentation, both faded Oneg and 8 perf sep masters have been scanned at CineSite at 6k, which was then downrezzed to 3 for image manipulation and record. While older negative, especially pre-1962 can be scanned at 2k, it has been found that duping from a recorded element through generations for printing creates more image problems when derived from a digitial image, than from a photo optical element. New sep masters will also be recored out at 3k in Vista. The important thing to understand about digital is that no one knows anything. You must test everything to find your way through the morass of mis-information. BTW, reference for this film in 35mm is difficult to find. We have reel 2A/B in dye transfer courtesy of Film-Tech's own Scott Norwood.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 05-13-2003 09:17 AM                        quote: While older negative, especially pre-1962 can be scanned at 2k, it has been found that duping from a recorded element through generations for printing creates more image problems when derived from a digitial image, than from a photo optical element. Kodak image scientist Dr. Roger Morton has been researching this area of image science, and is coming to the same conclusion: if direct film copies cannot be made, it is much better to scan the film image at the highest possible resolution, and if smaller data files are needed for practicality, compress the data downstream. He has presented several technical papers to the SMPTE: http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/motion/students/onCampus/oct2001/dfm.shtml http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/researchDevelopment/productFeatures/dCinema.shtml http://www.smpte.org/members_only/library/download.cfm?file=morton.pdf (SMPTE "members only" library password needed) Several papers on this subject will be published soon in upcoming SMPTE Motion Imaging Journals.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-13-2003 09:58 AM                     DKP has a very high res 70mm film scanner  |  IP: Logged Elena N. Solovyova Film Handler Posts: 44 From: Voronezh, Russia Registered: Feb 2003 posted 05-13-2003 11:50 AM                     Robert, will the digital intermediate files be preserved along with restored negative?  |  IP: Logged Robert Harris Film Handler Posts: 95 From: Bedford Hills, NY, USA Registered: May 2003 posted 05-14-2003 08:13 AM                     The digital files will be preserved in 6k by Kodak's CineSite, along with the corrected "restored" 3k information. They also offer services whereby those digital files can be cloned as software and hardware move to the next generation.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 05-14-2003 08:44 AM                        Kodak Cinesite film scanning services: http://www.cinesite.com/la/scanrec/filmscan.html http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/news/lombardo.shtml  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 05-14-2003 04:27 PM                       quote: The important thing to understand about digital is that no one knows anything. You must test everything to find your way through the morass of mis-information. We found this out, too. In the new "Showbiz" intermission clock, which includes numerous remastered elements, I largely had to invent everything as I went along. The results, while time-consuming to achieve, were worth the effort. Stills, and a short demo video, are at: Screen Attractions Drive-In Clock  |  IP: Logged

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