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Author Topic: That's Not FILMGUARD! Barry Floyd Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1079 From: Lebanon, Tennessee, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 05-08-2003 08:46 AM                        Is this the same CPI that's here in Nashville, TN? I've only been there twice. Once was to order some parts for my XL when Wolk wouldn't sell them to me directly, and the other was inquiring about some equipment. I've since moved all of my projector and soundhead maintenance and part needs to Hadden Theatre Supply of Louisville, KY, and my concessions stuff is coming out of Tri-State Theatre Supply in Memphis. Could this knock-off Film-Guard product be the actual "real deal, just rebottled and re-labeled?  |  IP: Logged Christopher Seo Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 530 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-08-2003 08:46 AM                     Agreed with everyone above. This seems to be just one of those down 'n' dirty tactics businesses like to use.  |  IP: Logged Steve Anderson Expert Film Handler Posts: 168 From: Nashville, TN Registered: Feb 2000 posted 05-08-2003 10:03 AM                        Yes Barry, they are Nashville based. I have had great service from them, I hope this issue will be resolved soon.  |  IP: Logged David Rigby Expert Film Handler Posts: 134 From: Chorlton, Manchester, UK Registered: May 2002 posted 05-08-2003 10:54 AM                     That's totally appalling. I just hate these folks who think they can rip off whoever they like and get away with it. Go get em Brad!!! I trust CPI have nothing to do with the supplies of Film Guard reaching the UK? By the way, I ran a print recently that I'd previously run with FG applied (manually). The previous time the image almost jumped off screen and was near perfect. Now that 3 months has elapsed and the FG evaporated - well, I was absolutely astonished at the difference. Film Guard is even better than I thought it was! Good job I got me a film cleaner last weekend...now I just have to figure out how/where to mount it Barry - this stuff doesn't sound like the real deal since it's described as clear whereas FG has a lovely golden glow like a fine beer. David  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 05-08-2003 11:54 AM                     Barry, the knock-off CPI is trying to peddle is NOT Filmguard. Trust me.  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 05-08-2003 01:00 PM                    What is the patent # involved? Could someone work from the disclosure statement and either make a non-infringing product or go ahead and infringe and hope no one notices?  |  IP: Logged Aaron Mehocic Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 804 From: New Castle, PA, USA Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-08-2003 01:06 PM                     While we're still on the subject of unfair business practices @ CPI: Did anybody receive sound head oil bottled as projector head oil instead? This occurred about two years ago, and the only defense CPI mustered was that Purtee's son "accidentally" bottled the wrong oil in the wrong containers. Yeah, my ass! Purtee.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 05-08-2003 01:27 PM                     Steve, the only one who has to notice is me. Regarding the patent, one final bit of rewording in the file is being changed for clarity at the request of the patent office. Otherwise it's a done deal. However it is still under patent protection (pending, hence the notation on the bottles), which means that it would have been impossible for anyone to look up the specifics to see if they were free of the patent. Not that it would matter though, for it is a pioneer patent that covers ALL non and slow evaporating cleaners. So here is how that translates. If the CPI solution doesn't evaporate quickly from the film, regardless of the chemical composition, it is a clear violation of federal patent protection laws. If it does evaporate quickly, then it can in no way be remotely compared to FilmGuard and CPI would simply be doing their theaters a huge disservice if they are sending it out to customers expecting FilmGuard by deceiving them. Of course the obvious argument here is that even if this was nothing like FilmGuard, the fact that their composition could not have possibly been through proper testing is a disservice enough. Do you want to pay the studios for a bunch of damaged film if those prints decide to melt themselves together or some other damage occurs? Besides, if you want a fast drying film cleaner, why not use something like Renovex that has been around long enough to know there won't be any adverse effects? I've got a couple of bottles of this stuff on the way. I am interested in a few others that have already been sent out into the field. Email me if you have one. I will make it worth your while. quote: Barry Floyd Could this knock-off Film-Guard product be the actual "real deal, just rebottled and re-labeled? No, this is something else. It is NOT actual FilmGuard. quote: David Rigby I trust CPI have nothing to do with the supplies of Film Guard reaching the UK? That is correct. Jack Roe is still ordering the real thing for their customers.  |  IP: Logged Barry Floyd Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1079 From: Lebanon, Tennessee, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 05-08-2003 02:17 PM                        Speaking of sound head oil.... I've been back in the CPI warehouse behind their 5th Avenue offices, and have seen where the "Genuine Soundhead Oil" comes from. I now buy mine at Walmart too.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-08-2003 03:46 PM                        I once ordered "Neumade" splicing tape and received "CPI" tape, and was told by the dealer that "it's the same thing." Well, it IS NOT the same thing. The CPI stuff is thinner, feels cheap, does not peel off in one piece unless you're lucky. Buyer beware. I personally have sworn off CPI products.  |  IP: Logged Jason Burroughs Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 654 From: Allen, TX Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-08-2003 04:19 PM                     If anything at all, it sounds like CPI is at LEAST doing a "bait and switch" on their customers. Not a way to run a successful business.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 05-08-2003 04:27 PM                        What is this? Oil that can be used on Simplex, Century, AND Cinemeccanicas (Cinemeccanias?)? Ummmmm doesn't each machine specify a different weight of oil? Is this MAGIC oil that is suitable for anything? Or is it just Wal*Mart oil?  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 05-08-2003 04:37 PM                        Oil is oil. I use K-Mart 30W Non-Detergent (API Service SC) in my 2003 Escalade. 50 cents a quart with coupon. Look at all the money I save. I bet it works in projectors too. Don't fall for those scams to sell you "special" oil.  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 05-08-2003 05:08 PM                     Joe did you read the fine print on the bottle. Its also good on popcorn. CPI  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 05-08-2003 06:42 PM                     David said "Oil is oil". David, I respectfully disagree. Please look up the specifications of any given oil. Some oils are not suited for some applications. It would be worth the trip to go to a bulk oil dealer and pick up a book and you will clearly see what I am driving at. For instance, Diesel Engine Lube Oil has a different chemical mix. It is not actually suited for gasoline engines. As I understand it, the rod and main bearing surfaces are different from a Diesel engine and a gasoline engine. Using an oil that is not formulated correctly can lead to premature rod and main bearing failures. Some lubricating oil will attack rubber, some will not. In many industrial applications you will find that oil used that does not meet the manufacturer's specifications of a given machine will VOID that warranty of that specific machine. You have to use the spec oil made for that machine to keep the warranty intact. It does not matter where you get it....just so it meets or exceeds the equipment manufacturer's specifications. Simplex specs out their oil. So does Lavezzi. So does Cinemaclunka. So does Century. So does Brenkert. So does aircraft turbine engines. Use the wrong look-alike oil, and you can and probably will ruin the engine. Even back in the days of steam locomotives, they had two types of oil. One was formulated to interact with steam, and it was used to keep the cylinders properly lubricated. If used as a general purpose lube oil, it is worthless! I could go on and on about oil. But I won't. Chemical oil analysis, contrary to popular belief, is not absolutey gospel. Everyone knows what a vise-grip pliers is. Vise grip is actually a trade mark. You can buy many exact look-alikes, but if it does not contain the "Vise-Grip" patented trade mark, you have a handful of junk in a matter of weeks under normal use. Filmguard is just like that. A knock-off of the product is like a disaster waiting for a place to happen. Rant mode off.  |  IP: Logged

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