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Author Topic: That's Not FILMGUARD! Will Kutler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1506 From: Tucson, AZ, USA Registered: Feb 2001 posted 05-10-2003 06:20 PM                     O.K. gang.... Now for engine oils.... Regardless of what brand of engine oil you use...the following is recommended.... Personally, I change my engine oil once a month....as soon as it starts to change color. And I do it myself for a whopping cost of $10.00 or so....I recycle the oil at my local auto parts store. So, why am I so nutty? Keeping your engine this clean will make it last a hell of a lot longer! And chances are that you probably will not have to bore the cylinders come overhaul time...the walls may just need a honing. Another old trick is on new engines...or newly remanufactured engines...to pour some alcohol down the intake every few weeks. This will really help to clean up carbon deposites of the piston heads and valve seats...but do not do this to older engines! You may take a chance of busting off a large chunck of carbon deposite...which could get hung up in a valve....causing a major aw shit! On older engines designed for leaded fuels...when it comes time for overhaul...make sure that hardened valve seats...compatable with unleaded fuels are used! If possible, stay away from those 10 minute quick lube places...especially with older cars!: On one ocassion, when I was really limited on time, I stopped at one. The young, incompetitent punk on duty was going to top off my tranny fluid. I asked him to be sure and use type FA...(a mid 1960's C-4 Automatic) He insisted that there was no such thing. Then we got into a arguement about the correct oil filter for a mid 1960's Ford 289 which takes a type FL-1A filter. Again this punk denied that such a beast exists, and was going to try and jury rig something....but not before I stopped him from even touching my car! This place was one of the national chains that advertise soo much! A quick trip to my neighborhood auto parts store yeilded my needs...all of which were(and continue to be) standard stocked items. Another thing...people love to "gun" their engines first thing in the morning...after the engine has ben sitting. This is one of the worst things that you could possibly do...especially when it is cold outside! Remember that the engine has been sitting...oil has drained to the bottom of the engine....common sense tells the rest!  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-10-2003 06:30 PM                     Will, Ya could use Mobil 1 like several of us here at Film-Tech do and get away with an oil change every 7500 miles, possibly more. My last change of Mobil One is now approaching that much milage and it still has yet to turn color. Gun my engine....surely not...I don't even have a firearms owners card, and with Mobil One the engine oils up ALOT faster than it will with regular oil which actually gets like molasses in only mildly cold weather. Heck you can take a quart of Mobil One and pour it right in at temperatures of up to 100 below 0. Try that one with a regular quart of oil! Using Mobil One is a lot less work and your engine will probably not ever need an overhaul....at least before the body rusts away to oblivion. So in the long run you can go play more golf and never have to worry about that expensive engine overhaul eating into your golfing money. Mark  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-10-2003 09:47 PM                     Pennzoil, Kendall and Quaker State are (supposed to be) made from Pennsylvania Grade crude oil. Pennsylvania Crude has a very high parafin content but a very low sulfur content. The theory is that the parafin acts as a coating on the surfaces of the engine... sorta' the way Film Guard does. The drawback is that the oil does break down quicker. When using Pennsylvania-based oils you MUST change your oil regularly, like clockwork! I have used Pennzoil in every car I have had. Never had a problem because of the oil. My Dodge Neon ran for over 120,000 miles on a steady diet of Pennzoil changed every 2,500 - 3,000 miles. Never even had a problem with the engine that kept it in the shop more than one day. The only reason I sold it is because the spedometer stopped working and the exhaust system rusted out all at the same time I needed new tires. This was all right about a month before the inspection sticker was to run out. I wouldn't be able to get the car inspected again unless I spent boucoup bux on repairs. I thought it better to trade the car in and get a new one I wouldn't have to dump a lot of money into repairing. Another theory is that you should never use Pennsylvania-based oils in engines that have had other kinds of oil. The way that I have heard it, some of the compounds in the other oils will react with the parafin and turn to sludge. Maybe this is the reason people seem to think Pennzoil sludges up your engine?  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 05-10-2003 09:58 PM                  Daryl, you're absolutely right about Quaker State Oil! It is crap! I agree with Mark about Mobile One. Paul is also correct about Havoline.... used it for years and loved it. Now I really like K-Y or "Elbow Grease"...but that's a different subject! >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Sam Hunter Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 779 From: West Monroe, LA, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 05-10-2003 10:16 PM                     Aaron, Remember a few years back when quaker State reformulated? There was a reason for that, the reason is that the old stuff was parafin based. Imagine melting a candle inside your engine, thats about the equivalent of what QS did. "That is all, breckingridge"  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 05-11-2003 02:06 AM                     Randy said: quote: Pennzoil, Kendall and Quaker State are (supposed to be) made from Pennsylvania Grade crude oil. Pennsylvania Crude has a very high parafin content but a very low sulfur content. Very true. But they sure missed the boat on making lube oil out of it.  |  IP: Logged Bruce McGee Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1776 From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular. Registered: Aug 1999 posted 05-11-2003 04:04 PM                     Since this topic has gone to oil: I use Valvoline Dura-Blend in all of my cars and truck now. I switched from Castrol after my uncle, who was a Havoline man for 50 years convinced me. I have noticed that all of my engines seem to idle just a tad faster than they did before. I've always changed my oil when I start seeing darkness on the dipstick. I actually used K-Y to make a door stop squeaking when I sold the car! I found the tube in the trunk, and the buyer was on his way over. The Elbow Grease stays in the house. Today, 5/11/03, I have FINALLY used up my bottle of FilmGuard that you all used to see in my photo. I'll get more when I get a job again.  |  IP: Logged Paul Goulet Master Film Handler Posts: 347 From: Rhode Island Registered: Jan 2000 posted 05-11-2003 09:58 PM                        When I first read this post on May 7th it intrigued me because it mentioned a company I was familiar with. I have known Ron Purtee for approximetly 5 years, maybe even longer because I met Ron when he was with MARBLE. It was assumed that CPI was making it's own version of a "film-cleaner" and sending it out in place of FILM-GUARD. Isn't CPI a company that provides items to the Theatre industry and to equipment dealers? Aren't companys suppose to develop new products for their customers? Are we to just assume that they sent this out as FILM-GUARD without proof of it? The next post from Brad also assumes that CPI is making a knock-off of his product. Are we to only promote FILM-GUARD and disregard any other film cleaner available? Shouldn't BOTH film cleaners be tested before they are to be assumed a knock-off or copyright infridgement? Shouldn't BOTH sides of the story be heard BEFORE we start the name calling and boycotting of certain companys? I would hate to run a company that supplies items to you and to be boycotted and be called unneccsary names because you dont like the items I sell. And finally, it amuses me that a subject about film cleaners and copyright infridgement and rip-offs and name calling ends up in a discussion about motor oils...Just amazing! Awaiting the names I will be called... Paul Goulet  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-11-2003 10:30 PM                     Paul, The actual story started with something to the effect of "we ordred one thing (film-guard) and we received an alternative cleaner. I don't think that is in dispute. When one orders something by brand name, they don't expect generic. That is the issue I see being brought up. Boycotting a company that sends a product that a customer/dealer doesn't order is an acceptable means of showing ones displeasure with a business practice. I've read nothing in the thread that states that the product was labeled as Film-Guard just that it was subbed without customer approval. It is perfectly fine for a distributor to state they no longer carry a certain product and now carries an alternative. It is not ok to substitute a product without prior approval. Next comes the lawsuit part...what I read was that if the product is a knock-off, then a lawsuit would be pending since Film-Guard is a product with a patent application pending and is hence protected providing the patent is eventually granted. Again, what I read was that if it is a knock-off, then a lawsuit to protect one's invention will be filed...certainly an acceptable practice. Lastly, threads do indeed wander about...all threads though the moderators may wish to minimize that. Moving from a filmcleaner to lubricants is not too far a stretch. I have not personally had any problem with CPI and have used/sold many of their products. Then again, we sell genuine Film-Guard too and now obtain that directed from Film-Tech so I have not had the problem that started this thread. Steve  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-12-2003 08:15 AM                     I'm reading this thread as: 1) Somebody ordered Film Guard and got soemthing else instead but nobody told them about the substitution. 2) The "stuff in question" seems just like Film Guard. 3) Film Guard is under Provisional Patent. 4) IF "Substance X" has infringed on that patent (appearently so) there will be a lawsuit. 5) THEN... the topic started wandering as many threads on this board do. Most people on this board accept that and sometimes even LIKE it when threads wander. However, in this case, I took it to mean that people were engaging in "side-talk" just to keep the thread alive while they wait for more news on the subject. ************* Now, I haven't got a problem with somebody figuring out a way to take some product/device/invention and make it "better-faster-cheaper". That's the American Way. If the guys at CPI have figured out a way to make Film Guard "better-faster-cheaper" without infringing on a patent, more power to them. However, at this stage of the game, I don't see how ANYBODY could have improved upon Film Guard without infringing the patent. Even if they took some Film Guard and put it through a mass spectrometer it would STILL take time to work out the "recipe". It's not enough to simply know what's IN Film Guard you need to know what ORDER the ingredients were added and if there were any special steps like heating, stirring, settling, etc. Stuff like that just CAN'T be figured out overnight! If somebody from CPI could satisfactorily explain why their cleaner is different from Film Guard or explain why it's "better-faster-cheaper" than Film Guard, I (and a lot of other people) won't be so pissed off. However, at this point, we have found no evidence that this is the case. It looks like a direct rip-off of Film Guard. People who are paying good money for a product deserve to get what they pay for and not have to worry about getting "counterfeit merchandise". At this point (without any more information) it certainly LOOKS like we have counterfeit merchandise on our hands. People have a RIGHT to be pissed off in this situation.  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 05-12-2003 08:26 AM                    If, as Brad has said, he has the entire "stays wet" thing locked up then it doesn't even matter what the knockoff is made of; if it stays wet then it's infringing with the only wiggle room being how that is defined versus what the knockoff actually does. And of course whether, if it actually went to court, the respondent could find some way to invalidate the part of the claim that is being infringed upon. Oh wait...this thread is about engine lube. I've always used Quaker State in my Jeep Grand Cherokee (cast iron I-6). I'm well past 100K; I hope it's not full of sludge.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 05-12-2003 11:34 AM                        Apparently CPI has done the "ship out something different than what's ordered" before. My dealer is BrightStar, who gets some of their supplies from CPI. Many many months ago I ordered some Christie BevanPoos to help out with the ORC platters we had then. Instead we got the round CPI pucks (plastic). I didn't say anything about it at the time, but I thought it was odd. BrightStar did once send me Filcro media pads when I ordered Film-Tech pads, but they quickly and politely fixed the situation.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-12-2003 02:45 PM                     I would have to say that any dealer that substitutes something unbeknownst to his customer is not too Bright!! This is something I've never done myself, and something we never do at CLACO without first clearing it with our customers. In any event many, of the Brighter dealers i know out there have selected what products to reccomend and sell to their customers based on years from experience garnered from these different products. CPI and certianly dealers like Bright Star that pull this sort of thing ought to be run out of town.....permanently. Mark  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 05-12-2003 03:40 PM                     20 years ago, it made me angry when I would order a tube of Century Gear Lube and a tube of Lubri-plate shows up un the doorstep. Fire gets in my eyes when I specify 9v 4A prefocused GE exciter lamps and Marble's cheap brand shows up at the theatre. I'm ready to take a hammer to the dealership that sends be a jug of 10W40 motor oil when I ordered Simplex oil. There was an instance where RCA soundhead oil was ordered at a theatre, and guess what showed up? How about guessing EP-90 manual transmission gear oil...that's exactly what showed up. When I order someting, I specify what brand I want. If that brand I want is not available for one reason or another, I want to know before a substitute is delivered. If I order a Lavezzi VKF sprocket, that is EXACTLY what I want. If I don't get that sprocket I ordered, the dealership better make an appointment with his/her protologist to have that sprocket removed from his/her rear end! If I order a bottle of FilmGuard, I better get a bottle of FilmGuard and nothing else! It is a proven product. Mark said: quote: certianly dealers like <snip> that pull this sort of thing ought to be run out of town.....permanently. Mark, I certainly agree. And one by one, they will eventually get run out of town.  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 05-12-2003 05:38 PM                    Sounds like some new advertising is called for: Only Film-Guard is Film-Guard! Ask for it by name. If your dealer sends you something else return it unopened. At their expense!  |  IP: Logged

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