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Author Topic: Cyan Dye Track Experiences with "Anything Else" Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-22-2003 09:52 PM                     "Maybe it should have, John! Maybe a silver applicated SR•D track and a white light reader would give everyone error rates of 0 and 1!" _________________________________________________________________ Wouldn't that pretty much be the equivelent of a Dye Transfer B&W track? How did they fare at error rates? Mark @ CLACO  |  IP: Logged Aaron Sisemore Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day! Posts: 3061 From: Rockwall TX USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 09-22-2003 11:02 PM                     quote: Wouldn't that pretty much be the equivelent of a Dye Transfer B&W track? How did they fare at error rates? The SRD tracks on all of the IB and B/W prints I have handled were fine for the first couple shows, then basically rendered themselves unplayable as the film edges shedded themselves into oblivion- This was especially the case with GWTW '98... Amazingly, the SDDS survived longer than the SRD. -Aaron  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 09-23-2003 07:04 AM                        A theater in Denver, Colorado that has Component Engineering red LED soundheads (that I installed myself so I know they are not infrared) is reporting the need to adjust the volume between trailers and the feature. This theater does not adjust volume for the feature on any other movies, they just let the trailers play louder than the feature, but this movie in particular they are saying sounds really bad and needs a substantial volume increase. They say the trailers play between 5 and 6 on the fader (that's what they usually play the feature at), and the movie must be played between 8 and 9. They only have analog sound and are playing it in a house with a CP50 with Dolby SR cards. I am a bit confused about this. But that's what they report.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 09-23-2003 08:08 AM                        Joe: Seeing that most others here are reporting no significant level difference when played with a red LED reader, you may want to check this out in person. Don't forget that this is a subtle mono mix -- could just be that they are comparing this picture to ones with a loud mix. The Billie Holiday recording that opens and closes the film is deliberately noisy like an old record.  |  IP: Logged Jason Black Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1723 From: Myrtle Beach, SC, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 09-24-2003 09:50 AM                        Forgot to post the fact that on changing formats between DTS & SR on the CP65, I lost all sound. This, again, is with the infrared LED. I didn't have much time on my hands, so I didn't stay around to play the gain, etc. In 16 screens, I have only 4 red LED's. Cyan tracks, for me, at this time, unless they are on a blockbuster, are bad. I must hold this print in a larger house until we lose it in order for it to be audible. That blows  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-24-2003 09:59 AM                     Jason, Whoever owns your theatre shoulsd be shot. I don't think there are that many infrared LED's left in the whole state of Utah. converting them over to visible is a simple job indeed. Mark @ CLACO  |  IP: Logged Jason Black Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1723 From: Myrtle Beach, SC, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 09-24-2003 03:58 PM                        Mark, If you knew who I worked for, you'd understand. We had a few theatres in SLC when you were out there... and we've neevr been a company known to spend much money...  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 09-25-2003 09:10 AM                    Hi everyone! I'm just back from Jeff's 3D expo in LA, and I've been out of the loop for a while. I start back at the theater on Friday, and I'm planning to run this movie after hours in our big auditorium, which is equipped with a brand new red JAX light reader (which replaced the exciter bulb setup), a CP 65 with a DA 10 and CAT 700 reader, a DTS 6A, and an SDDS 2000. I'm basically going to be doing an ear test in the theater between the different formats, and looking at the Dolby error rate and such. I don't have the equipment to do extensive pressure level tests in the theater or anything like that, but if anyone wants me to look at anything in particular, please let me know. Thanks, Mark  |  IP: Logged Ted Costas Expert Film Handler Posts: 119 From: Hollywood, CA, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 09-25-2003 03:04 PM                     The film has been out for a week now, and from my discussions with DreamWorks, I think I can say that this project was a success. I was told that DreamWorks had encountered no more than the "normal" problem calls, and that there were very few reel replacement calls... And none related to the Cyan Analog Dye Track. Yes, this was a small release. But nowadays, that is they way you spell success in technologial terms, one release at a time. Congrats to those "reckless" members of the Cyan Dye Track Committee. Congrats to Technicolor for the successful printing of the new track. Congrats to the Exhibition community for converting (65% to 85% of you) and pulling this project off. And most of all, Congrats to DreamWorks for being the bold, "first fish in the pond." Now, who's next? Yours, Ted  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 09-25-2003 03:13 PM                    Ted, maybe you can ask to find out who decided to print the SR•D track in cyan as well and for what reason or was it just a misunderstanding.  |  IP: Logged Ted Costas Expert Film Handler Posts: 119 From: Hollywood, CA, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 09-25-2003 07:30 PM                     Steve, Do you want to get me in trouble? How about that California recall election (as he tries to change the subject)? Yours, Ted  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 09-25-2003 08:47 PM                        Whatever the reason the SRD track was printed as only cyan, I'm sure tests are underway to find the optimum color balance for future releases. It really has nothing to do with the analog track being cyan, which worked exactly as expected.  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 09-25-2003 09:41 PM                    SR•D has been around quite awhile now. Surely they must know what the optimum color balance is by now. Presumably that is something that looks black to the eye. Why would they only be running tests now? Unless perhaps the cyan analog track caused someone to say, "Gee, we never really tried different colors." No wonder Ted doesn't want to ask!  |  IP: Logged Ted Costas Expert Film Handler Posts: 119 From: Hollywood, CA, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 09-26-2003 07:27 PM                     Dolby is currently testing to find the correct density for the possibility of one day printing the digital track in cyan. There is no advantage environmentally for printing the digital tracks in cyan. Three color, neutral gray is standard for Dolby Digital printing until tests prove otherwise. Steve, it's not that I don't want to ask... It worked. Minimal complaints came in regarding the Digital Cyan track. We are happy that the digital cyan did not effect the success of the analog cyan tracks. Yours, Ted  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 09-26-2003 09:06 PM                        As Ted wrote: quote: There is no advantage environmentally for printing the digital tracks in cyan. The Dolby Digital (SRD) tracks never required silver to be redeveloped in the perforation area, as the readers have almost all their sensitivity in the visible (tungsten source) or red (LED source), and not the infrared. Of course, B&W prints and dye transfer prints had silver tracks with no dye, as they were developed and fixed as B&W silver-image film.  |  IP: Logged

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