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Author Topic: Moving Image Technologies Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 10-03-2003 09:54 PM                        quote: Matthew Bailey wrote: I think it's pink that has a calming effect. It also has a "not gonna sell" effect.  |  IP: Logged Matt Zeiner Expert Film Handler Posts: 146 From: Windsor, CT USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 10-03-2003 10:34 PM                     Good point, Gordon - HATE black rollers for that reason. Christie Blue - better than black, not as good as white. Good luck, Bevan. -Matt NETS  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-04-2003 07:36 AM                        Congratulations on the new company! The automation system shown on the web page looks like it could use a few more options. I'd like to see a second "dimmer" control function (stage lights vs. house lights) and a "mid" option for the dimmer as well (in addition to high and low). The sound format selection for trailers vs. feature looks good, but there should be "mono" and "Dolby Stereo A" options as well. I assume that this is intended to be a basic, low-cost, single-machine system for use in mall-type theatres, but these additions would be useful in those venues. It would also be good to have a timer, either built-in or optional. I'm not sure if there's a market for it, but it would be nice if there were a more full-featured version of this automation system (a la the CA21) with capabilities for changeovers, additional dimmers, more picture/sound formats, etc.  |  IP: Logged Bevan Wright Expert Film Handler Posts: 176 From: Fountain Valley, CA, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 10-04-2003 09:19 AM                        Scott, You are correct, this is an entry level version. Count-down timer is an option (I'll add it to the specs). Sometime in the future there will be a higher-end version as well. Bevan  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-04-2003 03:41 PM                     3 things to make your basic automation better than everyone else's... An audio fader control on the automation is a must. For a more simplified line of automations such as this, a simple "trailer vs. feature" level is sufficient. Also, a "start cue" is also very important. It looks like you have that already, but pressing the green START button (or via start timer) should fire the projector motor and nothing else. When the start cue passes, the xenon should strike, lights dim down, etc. and 8 seconds later the douser open. Finally regarding the start timer, please make it such that you set the desired "time" to start, not the "time remaining". Too often in a multiplex the projectionist is running around frantically and a simple miscalculation of the timer setting can really screw up a show. Think you guys could tackle something of the mighty CA21 variety?  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-04-2003 04:21 PM                        Agreed to Brad's ideas. If adding a fader control, there only needs to be one fader as part of the automation (presumably for trailers); the feature sound can be controlled by the fader on the processor. The automation would just need to toggle between 'local' (on the processor) and 'remote' (on the automation) faders. Also, if implementing a start cue, there should be a switch on the front panel to toggle the start function to either "delay" (starts after ~7 seconds) or "cue" start.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-04-2003 04:28 PM                     Not all processors have a remotely controlled local/remote capability. Also, not all processors can toggle period, or have logic to know which one it is on. Better to leave the processor in remote fader all the time and let the automation toggle it's own controls. Also, I would put such a time delay switch on the backside of the unit. Don't want people accidentally flipping that switch. It should be flipped once during install (to the tech or operator's preference) then left anyway. One more thing, how about say 4 extra random unused relays per cue being in the box? (2 latching / 2 momentary) That would be nice for such things as DVD player/video projector on/off control or even for more important things like automatically turning the overhead booth light on and off as the show starts or finishes. (I'll bet Bevan just loooooooves having all of these outsiders tell him how to design his products. )  |  IP: Logged Steven H. Krams Film Handler Posts: 14 From: Miami, FL, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 10-04-2003 04:30 PM                     Good Luck to you Bevan and all your Partners. Will be interested in seeing what products you will providing and what innovative technology you will be delivering. All the Best! Steven H Krams International Cinema Equipment a division of Magna-Tech Electronic Co. Inc. Miami Florida USA  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-04-2003 06:18 PM                     Welcome aboard Steve  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 10-04-2003 06:29 PM                        The Film-Tech recruiting efforts at ShowEast are paying off! Welcome Steve! Bevan --- has there ever been serious thought about an automation system based on frame count cueing, rather than physical cues? Almost all labs now use frame count cueing for their printers, as it doesn't require putting any cues on the film.  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 10-04-2003 06:39 PM                        But how do you tell the automation where the cues should be? For instance, to bring up the house lights half for the credits. Would you have to stand next to the machine during the first show to push a button at the right moment for the automation to learn where the cue is? Could you transfer frame count based automation profiles when you move the print?  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 10-04-2003 07:01 PM                        You would need to measure the film during makeup to program the frame count cues.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-04-2003 07:02 PM                     A neat idea, but I can see lots and lots of problems. So long as the cue detectors accept "Aucuta II" type cues, I think that is the best route. If the detector requires those "opticues" (or whatever that crap is), then I can see an "F" rating in the review section. Those type of cues have no place in a professional booth.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 10-04-2003 07:06 PM                        John, moving prints would be a real hassle. You'd have to reprogram the automation. And what if you had two prints playing in the same auditorium? Plus the print takes longer to assemble because you're busy counting frames. What if you change a trailer after the print has been running for a week? I only forsee headaches. Strong uses timed or "learned" cues on their CNA automations, and I hate that feature.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 10-04-2003 07:23 PM                        Okay. Just thought that the idea of not having any cues attached to the print would be attractive, as well as being immune to miscues from previous cues or lost cues.  |  IP: Logged

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