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Mike Olpin
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Hey, at least he got this right!

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Impressive as HDTV looks, 35-millimeter film has far more color and detail.
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I have read about scanning the full negative at 8kx6k to avoid artifacts and then processing that to store at 4k.
Dvds should improve if you scan the orignal camera negative at 4k compared with scanning a nth generation copy at SDTV resolution. That is not difficult to understand.

A new dvd format at 2k should look pretty good from a 4k master like that one talked about in the article.

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Generally, higher quality origination (e.g., 65mm) or higher resolution scanning (4K vs. 2K) will result in higher image quality, even if the final display system is lower in resolution.

As good as Super-16 origination is for both SD and HD television, 35mm is usually discernably better. And 65mm even better. [thumbsup]

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Mattias Ohlson
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It was Imagica that was mentioned in this thread. They are upgrading to a 10k ccd sensor. That way you can scan at twice the archice/master resolution to improve quality.

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quote: John Pytlak
Generally, higher quality origination (e.g., 65mm) or higher resolution scanning (4K vs. 2K) will result in higher image quality, even if the final display system is lower in resolution.
No arguments with that, but I can't see how it justifies a business case for archival scanning at 4k for the purpose of DVD mastering here and now.

Firstly 9.8mbit MPEG-2 is currently the highest definition that any domestic video playback system will support. This is likely to remain the case for at least the next few years, simply because the market saturation of this format is already so high (after all VHS is still in widespread use, almost two decades after it was launched). There is a lot of hardware and software out there, and its owners are not going to buy new systems which are incompatible with it in a hurry.

Secondly, decades of research by scientists and archvists has established that film - even nitrate - will remain stable, literally for centuries, if it is stored in optimum environmental conditions.

Thirdly, the cost of scanning film is coming down and the resolution of the output is going up. It will be a lot cheaper to scan a reel at 4k this time next year than it is now.

And finally, there are big question marks over the suitability for long-term storage of just about any offline digital data carrier you care to mention. When Mr. Lowry says that his digitised movies 'will last the next two or three generations of technology', does he realise just how short a time frame that represents? Try reading a floppy disc or playing a DAT audiotape written a decade ago and it's likely to be corrupted beyond redemption.

Assuming that the film elements have been properly archived, why sink all this money into speculative scanning now, the benefits of which probably cannot be seen on any existing domestic format? You will almost certainly produce a cheaper and better quality result waiting until you actually need the data in order to produce it.

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I believe consumers deserves as good a dvd quality as can be produced so I welcome this. Also 20Mbit Mpeg-4 kind hd-dvd at 1920x1080 in the segmented frame format are not far away. That justifies the scanning even more not to talk about digital cinema at 4k with bitrates perhaps well over 100Mbit.

You can always buy towmorrow but that is a lame argument.

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quote: Bobby Henderson

The area where 4K needs to be used is in dealing with current films and digital intermediate processes. I watched "Kill Bill" Volume 2 this weekend, and the black and white stuff (along with the Pei Mai scenes) looked video-ish. Electronic noise, shimmering and even some hints of pixellation were popping up on screen. That stuff wouldn't show up so easy if done at 4K.

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“Casino was the only film I’ve shot in Super 35 format,” he says, “and I was terribly disappointed with the release print quality. It was devastating to me. Quentin had a similar experience with Reservoir Dogs. Films stocks and lenses have improved, but there is still a chasm (separating the Super 35 and anamorphic formats).”

Why does 2K scanning of Kill Bill 2 makes sense if they are worried about image quality? They must surely have the budget to use 4K scanning if the digital intermediate process is used because it is after all a blockbuster movie...
Btw was the digital intermediate process also used on Kill Bill 1?

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Repeating the link to Kodak interview with cinematographer Robert Richardson on "Kill Bill" production:

http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/motion/students/filmtech/killBill.shtml

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The problem was that Tarantino had written specific "zoom" lens shots into the script. Richardson felt that the anamorphic zoom lenses available from Panavision didn't provide a fast enough T-stop to properly execute those shots. That drove the decision to use a digital intermediate process. That approach enabled Richardson to shoot with spherical lenses in Super 35 format and "squeeze" the images into a 2.4:1 aspect ratio during digital mastering. Basically, the edited cut of the negative is scanned and converted to digital files. The images are timed for shot-to-shot and scene-to-scene continuity in a digital suite, and then recorded out to an intermediate film used as a master for release printing. It's a familiar tactic for Richardson, who has shot many commercials that have been converted to digital format and manipulated in telecine suites. However, this is his first experience with a "film-out" from a digital intermediate.

He suggested shooting Kill Bill in three-perforation 35 mm format. That trimmed film and lab costs by 25 percent. Richardson explains that essentially covered costs for the digital intermediate process. There is no downside, since the digital files can be recorded out to a four-perf 35 mm color intermediate film with no loss of picture quality.

Front-end processing and release printing were slated for Technicolor Labs, in Los Angeles. Tarantino agreed with Richardson's suggestion about creating and timing a digital file at Technique, the lab's subsidiary in the Los Angeles area.



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Prior to the New York Times article, Apple covered Mr. Lowry in one of its email newsletters.

John D. Lowry
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By Joe Cellini



If you’re a real fan, you already own the recently-released “Adventures of Indiana Jones” (”Raiders of the Lost Ark,” “The Temple of Doom,” “The Last Crusade”) DVD set, and you like what you see: ridiculously clear images, bonus documentary, nice extras.

Chances are you’d be equally impressed by what you don’t see, conspicuous flaws removed from the films by master digital restorer Lowry Digital Images. “One of the biggest problems we had with ‘Raiders,’” says CEO John Lowry, “was a blue line cutting across the actors’ faces right down the center of the first part of the movie, about 35,000 frames of scratches.”

And if you’re loading the movie now to look for traces of the scratch, don’t bother. Lowry’s digital botox, powerful proprietary software running on a formidable stack of Power Macs, removed all traces of the unsightly line that distracted so persistently from the more compelling vertical furrows on the brow of Harrison Ford.

Jim Ward of LucasFilm, who selected Lowry Digital Images, Inc., to restore the films, says his company first considered doing the clean up themselves. “We could have done a lot of the dirt removal, but we knew it wouldn’t be as good. We owe it to filmmakers like Steven Spielberg and George Lucas to make sure that these films are pristine.”

First Mover
By all accounts, few people do pristine as well as Lowry, who holds original patents on noise reduction in film. “The first clean up of this kind that was ever done was in 1971 when I processed the Apollo 16 and Apollo 17 pictures from the moon,” he says. “So I’ve been at this a little while.” Recently he was awarded the James A. Leitch Gold Medal from the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers for his career contributions to digital technology and motion imaging.

Lowry set up Lowry Digital Images in 1988, intending to develop digital tools for sale or license, but first taking time to have his crew clean 20 movies to learn precisely where the problems were, so he could build correct solutions. “Now that we’ve done 80 movies, we’re still discovering new things, but far fewer,” he says.

His timing and tactics proved as good as his technique. Explosive growth in digital distribution channels — DVDs, cable, HD TV, digital projection theaters, even the Internet — has every major studio looking at digital restoration, and looking at Lowry.

Film To Go
It’s easy to believe that movies are forever. But a different message plays across the banks of busy monitors at Lowry’s offices in a converted aerospace plant in Burbank, CA: it says, without significant intervention, the only inevitable thing about film is that it decays over time.

You may have already concluded from watching movies through what looked like tape come unstuck from dirty floors — the swimming motes, the glowing hairs — that film is a fragile medium. You may not know that films before 1950 were shot on nitrate-based cellulose film, an unstable medium prone to disintegration, even conflagration. Fewer than half of those films exist today.

Dirty Movies
But when I suggest to Lowry that fans of recent films like the “Indiana Jones” movies might be surprised that the works of high-profile filmmakers with high-tech production cred would be in anything but pristine condition, he sits me down to explain the facts of film.

“In ‘Indiana Jones,’ we removed a piece of dirt from only every frame or two,” he says. “For two versions each of three movies, that’s half a million pieces of dirt. But for ‘Roman Holiday’ (1953), we removed hundreds of pieces of dirt from each of the 170,000 frames. In a typical old movie, you’re talking millions of pieces of dirt.”

Degrees of Degradation
As we walk the lab, Lowry outlines the three-part problem faced by film restorers, making frequent visual references to convenient examples from failing classics. “The first category is wear and tear. A popular movie tends to be more damaged simply because it’s been printed so often. Real bombs that never got printed have no broken sprocket holes, not a lot of dirt, no scratches. Even the most careful physical handling still adds dirt, scratches, blemishes and even tears. Film is a delicate physical medium.”

Lowry’s second category is age. “Just plain time results in fading and flicker. A sky might pulse from yellow to blue in a beat. On films from the 30s and 40s, you get this vinegar syndrome, and the film turns to dust.”

Third and most lethal, Lowry explains, is multiple generations of optical copies. “They’re the worst degradation that can happen to film because fine detail disappears with each optical duplicate made. We can fix dirt, scratches, tears, and flicker, but if the information is gone, it’s very hard to put back.”

Pressing his case, Lowry brings the evidence. Literal wear and tear in a frame from “North by Northwest” shows Cary Grant in a cornfield, torn in half at the waist. Aggregations of grain and dirt occlude third-generation dupes of “Roman Holiday” and “Sunset Boulevard,” the best extant versions of either film, because originals were lost.

The Digital Fix
Then from deep in the third circle of celluloid hell, Lowry shows the way out. Summoning “after” images on a screen to compare alongside the “befores,” he pulls up a perfectly intact Cary Grant. Also Audrey Hepburn in a stunningly photographed black-and-white Rome, and Gloria Swanson as Norma Desmond, both looking ready again for their close ups.

It’s clear that Lowry’s software has repaired the frames, less clear how it found enough visual information to do so. “The motion picture camera presents lots of information to the film frame, to the emulsion,” he says. “The emulsion has a grain structure that allows you to collect certain information, but prevents you from collecting other information. We’re in the business of extracting that information. By borrowing and combining information from a number of frames, you can do some interesting things.”

Suspecting that he lost me at emulsion, Lowry tries again. “It’s like cleaning your glasses so you can see more. We want to remove the veil so that you can see everything that’s in the original.”

Automatic Software
Precisely how Lowry cleans the glasses is the stuff of proprietary algorithms. But the process is fairly transparent. First Lowry’s project managers scan film or tape into high-resolution digital format, note standard problems and tweak the parameters in the proprietary software (for example, to stabilize jitter and weave). Then they process the digital frames on Lowry’s battery of Macs.

Once the file has been through the process, the imagery is eye-checked frame-by-frame, and then checked with clients. “We go through it to make sure the algorithms did their job properly,” he says, “but the algorithms now are very sophisticated and so there are very few do-overs.”

Digital Ins and Outs
Impressively, Lowry’s software works with images in any size and format, including NTSC, PAL, HD, 2K, 4K. And once Lowry creates a pristine digital master, his clients can output to any of those formats to cover everything from a new film to digital projection to DVD.

Besides cleaning better than other technologies can manage, Lowry’s software enhances his clients’ translations across digital formats by avoiding unnecessary early compression. “Because we do our processing at 32-bit floating point, we expand everything we get. We avoid compression in production stages because it usually does terrible things to pictures,” he says.

The eventual compression required to get a movie onto a DVD can leave artifacts if there is a lot of noise in the images, but Lowry’s robust processing yields even compressed images that are artifact free.

Does Compute
Lowry believes that personal computers, even more than the generous studio budgets for DVD production and distribution, have made digital restoration viable.

“To do the work we are doing today 10 years ago, would have cost tens of millions of dollars for a computer facility,” says Lowry. “The economics of it, without question, would have been impossible. But along came the Power Mac G4 and the Power Mac G5, and suddenly we had an answer.”

Jim Ward makes the point that Lowry’s economic model, as much as his algorithms, brought him to Lowry. “His software does 95% of the work,” says Ward. “There’s a huge economic difference between letting 100 Power Mac G5s render all night long versus having 8 or 10 guys sitting at workstations for a much longer period of time eyeballing pieces of dirt.”

Powering Through
Lowry plans to acquire another 100 Power Mac G5s, and he’s clear about why. “Obviously speed. Both the Power Mac G4 and Power Mac G5 have outstanding 32-bit floating point processors, and we make very good use of them. Another major factor is RAM capacity, important in image processing. The new Power Mac G5s are running with 3.5 gigabytes of RAM in each computer.”

Mac OS X figures in Lowry’s plans for working in higher-res formats. “The studios say they need 4K to get out all the information hiding in their films. So we need access to memory, because these frames are all computed while they’re in RAM. Mac OS X gives us the ability to use virtual memory if necessary to swap around.”

Too Clean?
Lowry’s process, while undeniably effective, is also somewhat controversial. Some industry critics have claimed that digital processing cleans a film too well, stripping it of distinctive grain.

“Generally speaking in the industry, grain removal equals detail removal,” says Lowry. “But we’ve been able to reduce the granularity while increasing the detail. I don’t know that anybody else is doing that in an effective way. As a matter of fact, most of the grain we reduce is grain that crept into the film through many generations of optical duplications. The philosophy of my critics, that every grain in a film is sacred, and to leave grain untouched, is a bit ridiculous in my mind.”

Jim Ward, the happy customer, concurs. “The issue of how much grain to keep in the trilogy was Steven Spielberg’s call. It was really about exact balance, which John has the ability to modulate. Steven wanted a little grain — that’s what he likes and prefers — and you see that in the end product, but with beautiful clarity and color saturation.”

Back to the Future
Industry interests are broadening Lowry Digital beyond standard restoration, including amazing experiments like taking smaller formats to IMAX and re-mastering any format for digital projection. “We’re finding new things to apply the software to every day,” says Lowry.

But restoring films remains Lowry’s main business. He’s working again with Jim Ward and Warner Bros., just finishing a restoration of George Lucas’ first film, “THX 1138.” “After we saw what he could do with ‘Indiana Jones,’” says Ward, “we definitely wanted back in the queue.”

Asked what would make an ideal next project, the man who for more than 30 years has pulled the long levers behind a closed industry curtain, makes just the right call. “‘The Wizard of Oz,’ from separations.”



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Great Saves
“The Ghoul” (1933)
Worst-case scenario restoration from jittery, flickery, dirty print. Looks like HD on DVD.

“Sunset Boulevard” (1950)
Now famously ready again for close up with DeMille after Lowry’s reclamation from a third-generation dupe neg. Astonishing details rescued from grain and dirt (300-400 pieces per frame).

“The Importance of Being Ernest” (1952)
Red flicker, processing streaks in dark areas, overall flarey. Flare reduced, flicker gone.

“Roman Holiday” (1953)
Lowry’s most challenging restoration — grain-greyed whites, dirt, flicker, jitter and weave, tears, scratches. Now on DVD as it looked 50 years ago, with restored screenwriter credit for blacklisted Dalton Trumbo.

“North by Northwest” (1959)
Lowry’s first restoration, this very dirty job proved the concept of his approach. All dirt removed, “brutal” tear resolved, visible effects wires edited out.

“Dr. Zhivago” (1965)
Long movie, lots of dirt and flicker, none visible on DVD. Image-by-image, a Lowry favorite.

“Once Upon a Time in the West” (1968)
Technoscope, a half-height film format, yielded wide aspect ratio but also twice the grain and jitter. Cleaned, stabilized images produced a stunning DVD.

Show Stoppers (Know Your Notorious Film Flaws)
Dirt
Pervasive, miscellaneous grit that grows through multiple printing of popular films.

Flicker
A symptom of film aging that manifests itself as color breathing, as when the picture flickers from blue to slightly yellow and back.

Grain
The particulate texture responsible for film’s brilliant images can coarsen over generations of prints and actually hide information.

Jitter and Weave
Sprocket holes in film move the film through the camera gate introduce jitter and weave, which becomes more pronounced with successive printings.



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quote: Patrick de Groot
Why does 2K scanning of Kill Bill 2 makes sense if they are worried about image quality? They must surely have the budget to use 4K scanning if the digital intermediate process is used because it is after all a blockbuster movie...
It is the good old "it's good enough" practice, backed up with extending profit margins. Why spend more money doing a 4K-based digital intermediate when 2K is "good enough?"

The computing power and data storage capability is certainly there to handle major productions in 4K. The studios just don't feel like spending the money.

It's the same problem as 65mm photography being very feasible for major productions, but no one shoots a major feature in that since 35mm 'scope or super 35 is "good enough."

quote: Patrick de Groot
Btw was the digital intermediate process also used on Kill Bill 1?
Yes. I don't remember who handled the digital intermediate stuff, but there is a listing in the credits for it.

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From my posting above:

quote: John Pytlak
Tarantino agreed with Richardson's suggestion about creating and timing a digital file at Technique, the lab's subsidiary in the Los Angeles area.


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That piece about Lowry on Apple's website is some of the most biased BS I've ever come across. The message seems to be 'just buy a Mac and you too can do this.' Furthermore, he appears to know worryingly little about the physical properties of film for someone who is routinely let loose on the o-negs of big features.

quote: Apple website article posted by Jeffry L. Johnson
You may not know that films before 1950 were shot on nitrate-based cellulose film, an unstable medium prone to disintegration, even conflagration. Fewer than half of those films exist today.
...and Apple doesn't want you to know that in appropriate storage conditions, your movie will last a lot longer on nitrate than it will as digital data stored on magnetic media.

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“Just plain time results in fading and flicker. A sky might pulse from yellow to blue in a beat."
While it is certainly true that film scanners and modern flying spot telecines can run the film at any speed you like and then do the sums to make the output scanning rate compatible with either the relevant TV system or a DLP projector without any visible flicker, this is not the result of physical changes to the original over time. If Mr. Lowry's digitised film is outputted to 35mm and then shown at 16fps with a two-blade shutter, it will still flicker.

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On films from the 30s and 40s, you get this vinegar syndrome, and the film turns to dust.”
Odd, given that the film base which is most susceptible to VS (i.e. cellulose triacetate) was not sold on any significant scale until 1948. And although I have come across many warped and buckled acetate elements, I have never, ever seen one which has 'turned to dust'.

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If you read past the pro Mac stuff Is not the point that old movies with copies in a bad shape can be freshened up and put back on a modern film for storage.

Is that a bad thing, saving good old movies? I understand that the copies are not total crap but is a good practice to care for your house.

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It's a very good thing - the issue is how you do the saving.

A basic guide to archival practice can be found here (the International Federation of Film Archives publish a similar manual, available from here, though it's not free to download). Without writing another 150-page manual myself, the generally accepted principle is that you preserve the original element, or the nearest generation you have to it, for as long as possible and in the exact same state as when the archive acquired it.

The rationale for this is that as new copying techniques become available (be they analogue or digital), you will always get the highest quality dupe from the original. This wasn't always the received wisdom. Until the 1980s many archives had a policy of destroying nitrate immediately after duping to acetate, for example. But then the full extent of the VS and dye fading problems became known, and printing technology improved. If you look at prints made from new 35mm preservation masters nowadays compared with those dating from the 1960s or '70s, the difference can be astonishing.

Furthermore, research by the Image Permanence Institute and others (e.g. the team at Manchester Metropolitan University in the UK, lead by Dr. Michelle Edge) revealed that film base is actually very stable when stored in cool and dry conditions. The mantra of 'nitrate won't wait' does not hold true as much as was once believed. Actually it will: accelerated aging tests suggest that when stored at a little above freezing point and at very low humidity, a nitrate element placed into storage whilst still in the first stage of decomposition will be copyable for around 500 years. Furthermore in these conditions, the decomposition process is so slow that you'll have ample warning before needing to dupe it for the last time.

By contrast, the approach Mr. Lowry seems to be taking is to scan the original film element at 4k, carry out extensive digital restoration and then treat the resulting data stream as the new master element for that material. Any properly trained archivist would reject that approach, and for two sets of reasons.

Firstly, there is no digital data carrier known to man which has the proven storage longevity of film. This divides into two sub-issues: the physical integrity of the carrier itself and the existence of the hardware and software needed to recover the data from it in the long term. Experience has shown that you're doing well to achieve a lifespan of 10 years on either score. So, if you're going to commit to purely digital preservation, you will need to undertake a process of what archivists term 'continuous format migration'. This is exactly what it sounds - copying the data onto format B as format A approaches obsolescence. Not only does this introduce data integrity issues, but it's also hellish expensive. It therefore costs a typical archive far more to preserve videotape than film, for example. If the material was originated on video or as digital data in the first place, you have no choice but to preserve that way. But if it was originated on film, migrating to digital for preservation is simply crazy - it makes no sense at all because it is a lot more expensive and you are not even preserving the original element.

Secondly, Mr. Lowry is not even proposing to archive a 'straight' or unaltered digital representation of the film original. He is going to do all sorts of cleaning up and restoration work first. For presentation to an audience, such restoration is perfectly justified. Most archivists would argue that anything goes if, on a balance of probabilities, it is showing a representation of the material which looks and sounds closer to the original in its (subjectively) undamaged state than any extant film element does. But the process of restoration is introducing changes, made by a human being (or a computer programmed by a human being), which alters the nature of the original. Keep the original, and when newer or more appropriate restoration techniques become available, they can be used. But if you've only kept a 'restored' version, you've burnt your boats.

Scanning films, cleaning them up and releasing them on DVD or whatever is fine. I have no problem with this. But no sane archivist would regard the scanned datastream as a long-term preservation master, as Mr. Lowry appears to.

One very positive aspect to digital restoration, though, is that it almost eliminates the need to carry out irreversible treatments on original film elements (e.g. suspect cleaning chemicals, or vacuum-type rehydration processes). This image enhancement can be done in the digital domain, thereby leaving the film untouched.

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Too Clean?
Lowry’s process, while undeniably effective, is also somewhat controversial. Some industry critics have claimed that digital processing cleans a film too well, stripping it of distinctive grain.

“Generally speaking in the industry, grain removal equals detail removal,” says Lowry. “But we’ve been able to reduce the granularity while increasing the detail. I don’t know that anybody else is doing that in an effective way. As a matter of fact, most of the grain we reduce is grain that crept into the film through many generations of optical duplications. The philosophy of my critics, that every grain in a film is sacred, and to leave grain untouched, is a bit ridiculous in my mind.”

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“Sunset Boulevard” (1950)
Now famously ready again for close up with DeMille after Lowry’s reclamation from a third-generation dupe neg. Astonishing details rescued from grain and dirt (300-400 pieces per frame).

What an egomaniacal, un-self-assessing statement re: 'my critics'.

I really don't like the Sunset Boulevard DVD. It's been scrubbed flat, depleted of depth, & looks like 1970s b&w video. The picture is not very photographic at all. The processes he's using only have grain removal & detail as an effect.

He'd probably love to get hold of a bunch of old masters & clean up that "atmospheric perspective" that they so misguidedly slaved over. It would yield a much crisper, detailed, flat, comic book-like image to his liking.

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