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Author Topic: Do you remove the attached trailer? Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-25-2004 12:42 PM                        Evidently I am not the only one who thought the placement of this rating snipe was foolish, because it had already been cut. The print number was OAP (was that yours Scott?). Luckily, so far, it is the only splice in the print -- it had not been plattered or LPed so there were no other joint splices. More than likely someone needed to splice on their logo. I have seen even mint archive prints that have a single splice at reel one to get that logo snipe inserted. The mint print I ran of CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON had not a splice in it, not even on R1 when I ran it in July, but only 3 months later when I got it back again, it had been plattered despite the fact that there were stickers on each leader and on the cans that said, NO PLATTERS - NO LONG PLAY REELS - DO NOT SPLICE. Once the deed is done and the splice exists, then I don't feel there is anything wrong with using the same splice joint. I wonder how long before the inevitable happens, warning stickers not withstanding. Seems like the studio doesn't have much choice but to let new prints out to platter & long play houses else they cut into their potential earning power. I guess they at least have to recoup the cost they layed out to strike the print. But then again, if Brad is right, plattering mint prints is BETTER for them than running them reel-to-reel. Funny thing, I've never seen archive prints come in with stickers saying, DO NOT RUN CHANGE-OVER -- PLATTERS ONLY -- SPLICE HERE. (Sorry, Brad, I couldn't resist).  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-25-2004 09:23 PM                        Frank--that sounds right, but it was uncut when I got it in January (and when I sent it back, too!). New-ish acetate-base print from Foto-Kem, shipped in blue plastic shipping containers on good black plastic reels. Head leaders were labelled with artist tape by someone else, and tails were labelled with artist tape by me (blue Sharpie, not-too-neat handwriting). Print was excellent, with light base scratches in one reel.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 05-26-2004 12:27 AM                     Frank, this may seem odd to you, but that stupid joke you continuously keep posting got old about 200 times ago. If you would bother to pay attention to what has been written over the last few years you would understand when it is better to run changeover and when it is better to run platter...archival print or not. Since most people are too stupid and lazy to pay attention, I shall say this one last time: If the print is going to be run many times, IT IS BETTER TO PLATTER IT!!! If the print is to be ran only a few times, IT IS BETTER TO RUN IT CHANGEOVER!!! The biggest problem with both kinds of film transports are OPERATOR ERROR! I guarantee you that if I put a popcorn kid in a changeover booth without proper training, the prints would get just as trashed as they would in a platter booth without proper training. Yes there are the occasional exceptions due to the specific operator, but for the typical projectionist this guideline holds true. Still, this isn't rocket science! The only people who don't get this are those who have no real experience with a platter who are speaking out of pure ignorance on the subject. It's hard enough trying to get newbies to understand why they cannot break prints down with masking tape. Nobody needs you cracking the same old tired changeover jokes and confusing the newbies further. Properly trained changeover people are not better than properly trained platter people. This constant ego from changeover guys is astonishing. **************************************** All further replies to this thread need to be on topic about attached trailers or the posts will be deleted. The changeover argument has been done to death and there is no need for that nonsense to continue. A professional operator can run film on virtually any form of transport and put on a first class show. It does not require reel to reel.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 05-26-2004 11:02 AM                        "Film Done Right" depends more on the PROJECTIONIST than it does on the EQUIPMENT. It's that simple.  |  IP: Logged John T. Hendrickson, Jr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 889 From: Freehold, NJ, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 05-26-2004 08:09 PM                     We are first run, so we always play the attached trailer. We drop in a policy trailer and feature presentation snipe between it and the start of the feature. At the end of the run, we remove our policy & FP and reattach the "attached trailer", or, if we have an extra, we place it in the can before shipping out the print.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 05-26-2004 10:45 PM                        I always cut off the attached trailer (Making damn sure that the sound has ended and there is a few feet of black at the end) and then put it with the rest of the trailers on the print. The way I like to do it is: PSA's (if any), TV commercials (if any), trailers (last one being the one that was attached), Policy/feature presentation snipe, the "no masturbating" snipe, Dolby Digital/DTS/SDDS logo, THX logo, 10 minute porn, feature presentation (aka "the movie").  |  IP: Logged Jesse Skeen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1517 From: Sacramento, CA Registered: Aug 2000 posted 05-27-2004 01:26 PM                     Where can I get a No Masturbating snipe? added: do they go on G-rated movies too?  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Fuentes Mmmm, Dr. Pepper! Posts: 1168 From: Corpus Christi, TX United States Registered: Jan 2004 posted 05-27-2004 01:32 PM                     I'd hate to clean up at yalls theaters, if the problem is that big.  |  IP: Logged Tom Petrov Five Guys Lover Posts: 1121 From: El Paso, TX Registered: Jan 2003 posted 06-07-2004 01:38 AM                    I always play. Corporate Ads such Sprite, Toyota trailer first. Coming Soon snipe. Trailers with attached trailer removed. Feature Presentation. Dolby Digital or DTS on the very rare occasion.  |  IP: Logged

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