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Author Topic: Motiograph Projector question Bob Koch Expert Film Handler Posts: 183 From: williams ca Registered: Nov 2001 posted 06-12-2004 11:48 PM                     I have to agree with Sam on this Motiogrief stuff. The post war stuff[AAA AA'] was strickly crap.As a parody for Will Rogers saying,he never met a man he did`nt like, I, like Sam, have to say I never saw a Motiograph without travel ghost. It was so apparent in the trade, the 1940 Model K sales brochure refered to this as "soft vignetting" of the projected image. The early Motiographs, Model "H" "HU" "F`s" and the K were beautifully made and the machining was great, even at that time,when hand fitting and lapping of intermittents, et al,were the norm. Those aforementioned models would run like sewing machines until 15 minutes before they fell on the floor.The worst thing about these Motiographs was the barrel shutter and the "u" joints that drove them. You had to raise the back half of the projector case to thread it, and because of this,you could`nt get any arc lamp[Peerless Magnarc, Brenkert Enarc, Ashcraft "C"] closer than 36-7 " from the aperture plate when the working distance of those lamps reflectors was no greater than 34"; a huge loss of illumination. One time about 50 years ago I had a booth with Model K`s and Brenkert Enarcs in the location of Adam Martin`s Esquire Imax. With a collusion between the projectionist and myself we sent one of the "K"`s out for an overhaul and replaced it with a BX 60and just for fun threw in a 31 1/2" reflector in the Enarc. You should have seen the lite difference on the changeovers.But then as now, the exhibitor reaction was predictable. Don`t accept the improvement; "get the "K" back so we can be as we were before" Always hated the post war Motiogrief, too many gears between the movement and the shutter, and all those New Departure hexagonal ball bearings  |  IP: Logged Jeff Stricker Master Film Handler Posts: 481 From: Calumet, Mi USA Registered: Nov 1999 posted 06-13-2004 07:31 AM                     Sam, for what it's worth my Motio AA head is sitting on a shelf in the garage. (BTW: I notice the effects of gear wear and slop on the AA as mentioned by Mark G. in an earlier post ) The BX-40's and BX-60 are the machines I use. They're old but still run as smooth as a "pickle seeder" (to quote my farmer buddy)  |  IP: Logged Paul Trimboli Master Film Handler Posts: 274 From: Perth Western Australia Registered: Dec 2002 posted 06-13-2004 08:10 AM                     Sam I am guessing you sold you setup you had in your screening room, must of missed something. What happened to your film tower? Do you still have it? Do you still want the motors off it if you are not using it?  |  IP: Logged Sam Hunter Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 779 From: West Monroe, LA, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 06-13-2004 10:11 AM                     I had lost my job and I guess I lost my mind after that and sold my whole setup. I deeply regret that now.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-13-2004 07:48 PM                     I never considerd the AA or AAA crap well engineered is more accurate term  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-13-2004 08:36 PM                     "I never considerd the AA or AAA crap well engineered is more accurate term" I don't agree that a projector with "that many" gear pairs is well engineered at all..... over engineered would be a better term. Over engineered is just as bad as under engineered! Perhaps we should all just agree that Motios had their day, but that day is now long over..... Good riddens to them! Mark @ CLACO  |  IP: Logged Bob Koch Expert Film Handler Posts: 183 From: williams ca Registered: Nov 2001 posted 06-13-2004 10:26 PM                     Gordon; Well engneered, even in my salad day`s was never a term applied to Motiograph.  |  IP: Logged Sam D. Chavez Film God Posts: 2153 From: Martinez, CA USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 06-13-2004 10:55 PM                       How about elegantly designed? Doesn't mean it gets you across the street. Sort of like a Maserati. Frank Lloyd Wright's houses all leaked you know.  |  IP: Logged Jeff Stricker Master Film Handler Posts: 481 From: Calumet, Mi USA Registered: Nov 1999 posted 06-21-2004 07:58 AM                     Here's Motiograph's latest attempt to "simplify" their mechanism... [ 06-21-2004, 02:24 PM: Message edited by: Jeff Stricker ]  |  IP: Logged Dan Lyons Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 698 From: Seal Beach, CA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 06-21-2004 09:32 AM                     where?  |  IP: Logged Jon Miller Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 973 From: San Diego, CA, USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 06-21-2004 07:05 PM                     WTF?!?!  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-21-2004 07:06 PM                     Jeff, That IS the prototype of the AA !! Mark  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 06-21-2004 07:06 PM                  ..and that's their 16mm projector.... >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-21-2004 10:47 PM                     No mark that is the Maverick projector  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-21-2004 11:20 PM                     Well, some guy by the last name of Maverick musta designed it, thats for sure! Mark  |  IP: Logged

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