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Author Topic: New Possible Upcomming 70mm Release From New Line Cinema Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-07-2004 09:02 PM                     Seems like a small amount of savings there Steve, and even then having a spare projector head is useless without buying another sound head to go with it, but I guess I can see where you are nitpicking a few bucks. Return of the King wouldn't look any better in 70mm I don't think. The 2K digital master is still a 2K digital master. It looked VERY videoish to me on a well lit screen.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 07-07-2004 09:21 PM                        This thread should be in FHF. Everyone who has posted in this thread is BANNED!  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-07-2004 11:55 PM                     "and even then having a spare projector head is useless without buying another sound head to go with it" Brad, Do you mean DTS reader or analog sound head? Its really quite easy to run a Simplex or Century head with out it being mounted or driven by an analog sound head. We stock the special mounting brackets to do this. All you would need is a 70mm head, 70mm DTS T.C. reader, and a vari speed drive system. Joe, You will not be allowed to run any 70mm...... ever! The stuffs just way to cool for you to be messin round with now.... Mark @ CLACO  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-08-2004 11:04 AM                     I meant an optical soundhead. Got pictures of the setup without?  |  IP: Logged Mattias Ohlson Expert Film Handler Posts: 180 From: Falun, Sweden Registered: Mar 2003 posted 07-08-2004 02:57 PM                     Is this thread about blow ups to 70mm or shooting 65mm. I am sorry if I mix up the technical terms.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 07-08-2004 03:10 PM                        It sounds like New Line is scouting the possibilty of releasing something with 70mm prints. A new feature with 65mm production would be great, but it's more likely they are thinking about a blow-up from 35mm. Of course, there have been a few IMAX DMR 70mm 15-perf prints of a few features lately, notably "Harry Potter 3" and now "Spiderman 2" later in July. Interestingly, there are new 65mm/70mm labs coming on-line. FotoKem is now an active player in the 65mm/70mm market: http://www.fotokem.com/site_index.php quote: Access information on their website, needs MacroMedia Flash Player 6  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 07-08-2004 03:23 PM                     If New Line really cared that much, they would have released ROTK in 70mm. Now THAT is a title that theaters would have opted to convert for, or at least dust off the box of 70mm parts they have in a back storage closet somewhere. We have 70mm capability. I wonder if they will send us a 70mm print when this supposed title hits sub-run. =TMP=  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 07-08-2004 04:02 PM                        Hypothetical Crazy Scenario: You're a typical modern multiplex, and you have 70mm capability in at least one house. But you haven't used it in years -- Maybe you've never used it. Certainly there's nobody currently on your staff who has any experience running 70mm. New Line informs you that you're getting a 70mm print of, oh, let's say "Return Of The King". What do you do to prepare?  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 07-08-2004 04:03 PM                    If IMAX blowups have been marketed successfully then there is every reason to think that conventional 70mm prints properly marketed will be successful too, especially if the blowup process can be improved using techniques like that used on the IMAX films. Obviously 65mm origination would be better but we'll start small. This could be combined with marketing gimicks like Marcus' "UltraScreen" which would therefore no longer be just a gimick. I just hope a return of 70mm doesnt run into politics where the big chains who maybe arent running a 70mm print balk at the stack ads having a block of several 70mm shows at the top (in a large metro area).  |  IP: Logged Eric Hooper Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 532 From: Fort Worth, TX, USA Registered: May 2003 posted 07-08-2004 04:27 PM                     Return Of The King is already on DVD at Target for $16.99 or whatever, and the kids these days don't even know what 70mm is, nor do they or would they care...  |  IP: Logged David M. Dorn Film Handler Posts: 35 From: Hartford, CT USA Registered: Mar 2004 posted 07-08-2004 04:30 PM                     While I would go to see any of the LOTR series in 70mm, what would be gained really...I understand it was shot in Super 35? All the cameras seen in the extra features are Arriflex 35mm. I understand they bought 30-35 at the beginning of fiming. Would a blow up to 70mm really work? Seems to me grain would be a problem going from the Super 35. By the way, I went to see Return of the King in an "Enhanced 35mm" presentation....a Kinoton 70 on a 75/80 foot screen and it sucked, BIG TIME!!!!! The illumination as nowhere near the SMPTE minimum 12...more like 4-6 I would guess. When I left the so called theater in mid-afternoon and went outside, I felt like a blind man just given the gift of sight. To my mind this was "Film Done Wrong", way, way wrong. BTW it's the setup mentioned by Larry Shaw at the end of the Kinoton 2003 Show West Video. How much more light would 70mm put on he sceen?  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-08-2004 07:07 PM                     The only advantage of blowing up or "DMR-ing" LOTR up to 70mm would be for playing it on oversized screens. 35mm sucks on really big screens. It is just too dim and too grainy. For instance, circuits like Cinemark commonly play 35mm films on their IMAX 3D screens. Any IMAX theater with a companion 35mm projector should have that projector converted to a 35mm/70mm dual format capable system. This especially goes for ALL IMAX theaters that are part of a regular multiplex site. If they would follow through on that then 5/70mm DTS blowups would be an easy thing to make and distribute in various areas across the country. There's a good number of "giant sized" stadium seated theaters with very large, oversized screens that are badly in need of 70mm prints. In Dallas, two or three Cinemark sites as well as the UA Galaxy 9 have screens in their largest theaters that cannot be properly lit to that 12 to 16 foot lamberts level unless they do it with 5/70mm. Of course, I'm still hoping for theatrical stuff shot in 5/65. But for now, nearly all 70mm stuff happens for the special venue. quote: David M. Dorn Would a blow up to 70mm really work? Seems to me grain would be a problem going from the Super 35. There would not be much of a problem if the optical enlargement process to 70mm is handled the right way. 70mm prints I've seen for Super35 movies like "The Abyss" looked really good. Super35 uses up the area normally reserved for optical track for gaining a larger image across the horizontal axis. In standard Super35 to 'scope 35 optical reduction, the image is squeezed a tiny bit horizontally along with being stretched vertically. If the full width is retained as it is blown up to 5/65mm interpositive the image will have less noticeable grain. BUT! Keep in mind this principal would not apply at all to the Lord of the Rings movies. Since they were computer rendered via digital intermediate the advantage of Super35 to 70mm is lost. The 2K rendering is as good an image as you'll get. Well, that is unless you want to go back and completely re-render all the visual effects shots at 4K and re-scan and re-colorize all the live action plates at higher rez as well. No one is going to foot that bill. Certainly some one can try to IMAX DMR the thing, but I think the results are a bit of a mixed bag on that one. See my comments in the movie reviews section about "The Matrix Reloaded: The IMAX Experience."  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-08-2004 07:55 PM                     "I meant an optical soundhead. Got pictures of the setup without? " No, no photos but they are similar to the mount that Cinerama used. They did not utilize an optical sound head. It is a large cast alumnium mount that bolts to a standard Simplex hanger. The Picture head bolts on top and there is a place for a drive motor, or to bolt a bracket for a motor depending on the motor you use. A standard T.U arm bolts to the bottom. Not totally unlike a Shakeamecanica type mount but intended for the US standard bolt pattern. We have two in stock and I can have any number of new castings made to produce how ever many one would need. We have a really good foundry just a block from the shop and we have our own extensive machine shop. These were originally used to hang a Pro(?) 35 on a Simplex base without sound head in a museum loop setup. Mark @ CLACO  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-08-2004 10:37 PM                     Remember TITANIC was a super35 blowup and the 70mm prints looked better than the 35mm  |  IP: Logged Michael Coate Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1904 From: Los Angeles, California Registered: Feb 2001 posted 07-08-2004 11:54 PM                     quote: Scott Norwood I've received inquires about this as well, as no one else seems to have even made an attempt at compiling a list of 70mm-capable venues. Not true. As many of you know, Bill Kallay and I have compiled a number of lists and stats on the subject of 70mm films and equipped cinemas. And, in regard to the thread topic, we too have been contacted recently. But, unfortunately for the readers here at least for the time being, we've been asked (due to being members of the press) to not publicly discuss any specifics. Stay tuned....  |  IP: Logged

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