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Author Topic: CYAN Finally breaking through Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-12-2005 07:20 AM                     Very interesting The wassman eurokino in itself is an interesting machine and one that has stood up over here very well  |  IP: Logged Miguel Garcia Film Handler Posts: 7 From: Santa Cruz/ Murcia, Spain Registered: May 2004 posted 07-13-2005 05:57 AM                  Dear Gordon, Certain, the Eurokino 35/70 Wassman, is an interesting projector, and its original design corresponds to the classic factory Ernemann. The remanufacturación of this projector in Spain corresponded to the Wassman company. There is another version of this same projector made in the old Czech Republic, the difference in the Czech version is that this projector is of smaller luminosity due to differences in time of exposure. When the optical tower is of star, we can have problems with objectives of short focal length. The reverse scan Kit for cyan made in Spain is very simple and practical, the LED diode of conventional type, is very easy to change. regards. Miguel Garcia  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-13-2005 10:33 PM                     " I was told that Wassman worked for ernaman at one point and was licensed to the design In the late sixtys when Zies Ikon had problems get the favorite 35/70 from Prevost they shipped over here wassmans instead  |  IP: Logged Miguel Garcia Film Handler Posts: 7 From: Santa Cruz/ Murcia, Spain Registered: May 2004 posted 07-15-2005 06:21 AM                  Gordon, I do not know the reasons by which Eurokinos 70, instead of Favorit 70, were sent to Canada. I suppose that it would be a purely economic question of valuation in those dates of the cost in Italian liras or Spanish pesetas. On the subject you comment on which Wassman worked during a time with Ernemann, indeed it is certain, Wassman settled down in Spain like Ernemann technical service in 1906, becoming a independent manufacturer of spare parts for projectors of Ernemann cinema in the years of World War I since the spare parts coming from Germany were scarce. These same circumstances happened during the second world war, and later by when part of the Zeiss Ikon facilities were behind the soviet territories. It is for that reason that the Wassman company felt like victim when Zeiss Ikon ordered its projector Favorit 70 to the Prevost company, which meant a rupture of relations between Wassman and Zeiss Ikon. When Zeiss Ikon definitively left its interests in Ernemann, Wassman has returned to be collaborating and distributing Ernemann products. Anyway, with or without collaboration of Ernemann, Wassman has been and is providing supplies of Ernemann, made in Spain during for almost 100 years. Kindest regards Miguel Garcia  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 07-19-2005 05:22 PM                     Was 'Hitch Hikers guide to the Galaxy' cyan in the UK, or anywhere else for that matter? I'm doing a short projection shift on Friday evening, just the last two films of the day, and this will be one of them. If it is, then it will be the first cyan print I've seen.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 07-19-2005 05:36 PM                     Based on the "REEL ID" forum...Hitchhiker's Guide was cyan on some prints, if not all.  |  IP: Logged Alexander Smith Expert Film Handler Posts: 128 From: Walney Island, Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria. Registered: Jun 2003 posted 07-20-2005 08:08 AM                     FWIW the print of HHGTTG we ran was cyan. Sorry I don't have the copy number to hand. Alex.  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 07-23-2005 05:19 AM                     Well, I ran my first cyan print last night; no problems, sounded fine. In a spare few minutes between shows I ran the trailer, which had a conventional track, and I couldn't hear any difference. Only one print, on one type of reader, but so far, so good.  |  IP: Logged Mike Spaeth Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1129 From: Marietta, GA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 07-23-2005 11:09 AM                        Surprisingly enough - my print of The Island was not cyan.  |  IP: Logged Matt Fields Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 545 From: Ohio, United States Registered: Jun 2005 posted 07-23-2005 11:29 AM                     My print of the Island wasn't cyan either... I though Dreamworks was 100% cyan now?  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 07-24-2005 02:37 AM                        100% cyan only means that 100% of the reels they decide to be cyan will be cyan. It doesn't mean all the prints will have cyan tracks, heck it doesn't even mean all of the reels in a print will be cyan (not common but it has happened more than a few times to people). I've yet to see a cyan print of War of the Worlds.  |  IP: Logged Mike Spaeth Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1129 From: Marietta, GA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 07-24-2005 02:40 AM                        War Of The Worlds is Paramount, at least in the US  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 07-24-2005 02:57 AM                        Yeah, Paramount is only distributing it in the US. DreamWorks has the worldwide distribution (along with UIP). Now that I think of it, I may some how have one print that is half a US print and half a Canadian print... possibly with reels from both Technicolor and Deluxe.  |  IP: Logged William Hooper Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1879 From: Mobile, AL USA Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-25-2005 03:26 AM                        quote: Stephen Furley Well, I ran my first cyan print last night; no problems, sounded fine. In a spare few minutes between shows I ran the trailer, which had a conventional track, and I couldn't hear any difference. Only one print, on one type of reader, but so far, so good. Obviously, you ran it on a red reader, or the cyan track would have sounded awful. The current trailer with a 'conventional track' is not the same as a pre-1997 'conventional track' because it was printed with a high-magenta track, which was/is a compromised silver applicated track created for the 'transition period' to cyan so that the audio quality would be equally degraded on white-light/IR readers & on red readers, as the sound quality of conventional silver tracks would have been unacceptably degraded on the red readers being sold during the transition period (which is still going on, not the least as defined by the fact that conventional tracks continue to be printed in high-magenta now).  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 07-25-2005 07:05 AM                     Yes, read readers. Not sure what type, they're not reverse scan and not Jaxlights, the light source is in the original Kinoton exciter lamp housing, Possibly some sort of laser? I'll have to have a better look sometime. When I look through the adverts and trailers reel now it's a long way from being all high magenta, but probably more than half. I thought the HGTTG trailer was conventional, i.e. not high magenta, but I may be mistaken, I fished it out of the pile of previous trailers and ran it very quickly in the few minutes before the audience came in for the next show.  |  IP: Logged

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