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Monte L Fullmer
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uh,oh - we can take this oil thing to a new extreme of a "you suck" thread....

I bet we can fill up 40 plus pages just of stories about booth bozos an circuit operations.

..these idiots don't deserve to have the title of "projectionsits" rendered on them. For they don't know what that really is.

...sad....

-Monte

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Frank Dubrois
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We have 3 simplex 35 machines and the oil has the same little bubbles you guys speak of. I never really thought much about it since I keep the level of oil right where it should be. Then I noticed that the oil level isnt really "level", our machines are tilted quite a bit I guess. My question is, how bad would it be to put a little more oil in the unit (assuming the pump is sucking some air because of the tilt), or is there something else that can be done, or don't I even need to worry about it. How often should the oil be changed if there are air bubbles in it?? sooner?

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Michael Schaffer
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quote: Louis Bornwasser
In one theatre I was so sure that they were NEVER oiled, I drew a circle around the oil can after putting a small folded note (like a fortune cookie) under it. 14 months later when the next intermittent seized; I challenged the manager to show me logs when the projectors were oiled. "Move the oil can, I said" when they did a small note fluttered out from the bottom of the oil can with a date 14 months ago: The answer: NEVER. I had been the one who oiled them last. (Best argument for regular service.)
Good trick. After it has been used once, do you have other tricks like that? Attaching a hair at the back of the can, as I learned from a spy handbook for kids, in that case to tell whether a door has been opened, might be another good idea.
The Kinoton oil cans are plastic and semi-transparent. You can mark the oil level and date on them with a felt pen. You could get similar containers for other oils and do the same. Of course, you don't know if they just pour it into the toilet then...

quote: Dieter Depypere
Quite an unbelievable story. I mean what kind of projectionists are those who don't check the oil level!? I guess those projectors weren't cleaned well either. Such morons should not be allowed to touch a projector *anymore*.
That is quite common here in Los Estados Unidos. The general work ethic of employees is by far the worst I have ever come across anywhere. Most people here just want to make it through the day doing as little as humanly possible. The word "initiative" or what it stands for is absolutely unknown. You have to babysit them and supervise them very closely, otherwise nothing gets done. You even have to demonstrate people here how to use a cloth or rug for basic cleaning, otherwise they will just claim "this has never been shown to me"...
In several cases, I wrote very detailed cleaning instructions and demonstrated what they actually mean. The next time I came back to the location, the instructions had mysteriously disappeared from the wall I had pinned them to, and from the projection folder in which I had filed a copy, and the same employees who I had personally trained told me they had never heard of these instructions.
You would think that this would have some consequences for the employees. Not really. You have to document everything in painstaking detail to prove that they didn't do their work properly. Because as lazy as many of them are, as sensitive they are and to a high degree resistent to constructive criticism. This creates a lot of paperwork and wastes a lot of time. A basic understanding of "you come here to work, so you work during the time you are here" is completely beyond most of the "work force".

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Frank Dubrois
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I couldnt agree more. Some how, I can't seem to explain why it just isnt right that some of the KIDS bring in cell phones, comic books and video games. Why even leave the house!?!? Just stay home and let someone who WANTS to be here..come in and work.

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David Stambaugh
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quote: Michael Schaffer
That is quite common here in Los Estados Unidos. The general work ethic of employees is by far the worst I have ever come across anywhere. Most people here just want to make it through the day doing as little as humanly possible. The word "initiative" or what it stands for is absolutely unknown. You have to babysit them and supervise them very closely, otherwise nothing gets done.
I've been in the US workforce full-time since 1975 (1972 if you count military service) and I've never seen general work attitudes even REMOTELY that bad. Yeah, there's always deadwood in any large organization, and those losers stick out like a sore thumb. Those people disappear during layoffs and other "re-orgs".

I've never worked in a theater though.

If someone is that bad, why are they still there, especially if you're in an "at-will employment" state? They're lazy? They're incompetent? Get rid of them and get someone else.

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Michael Schaffer
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That's not remotely as easy as it looks. "Employment at will"? Haha. California is "Sue at will". We fire people because they didn't do their work, the next day they show up with an attorney claiming they hurt their back. People are let go because they missed their shifts three times within a month, the next day their parents call and demand to speak to the CEO, hinting that something terrible and deforming has been done to their beloved children. I don't have much to do with the HR stuff, but I have sat in the office and witnessed our staff's ears chewed off to the bone about stuff like that. All the time.
Companies are afraid because employees have so many handles to tie them up in litigation over nothing. I see so many examples of our people not doing their work when I tour our theaters, but I would literally need a full time secretary just to document all that. With very few people, you can actually sit down and have a mature talk of the "OK, you made a mistake, but let me show you how it goes, and then everything is forgotten" sort. No, you ask them how the equipment actually broke, and after denying that they worked that day, you show them the documentation, then it dawns on them that they did actually work - the day before yesterday, that long ago -, and then they take off becuase they really don't feel comfortable about the situation and this conversation.

Dave, you haven't worked in the theatre industry? Well, I haven't worked in other industries here, but I have a feeling it can't be that different in lower level jobs in other places. Have you ever shopped at the HomeDepot and tried to find one of the employees?

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Paul Mayer
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I'm sure it's a regional thing Dave. Many coastal SoCalians are too laid back for their own good, especially when the sun's shining and the surf's up (hint: all the time in SoCal, at least when the marine layer isn't in). We get the same attitude here in the desert too. It's tough to find good help, especially at present theater floor and booth wages. They're out there, but ya gotta look hard.

Back on thread, I've seen oil foam up in aircraft engines when they're running too hot--the anti-foaming additives break down and allow the oil molecules to shear, leading to foam and further molecular breakdown. So I wonder if some of those intermittents are just beginning to run hot.

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Monte L Fullmer
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course, Simplex and compatible oil is basically a non-detergent based oil anywho....

Maybe, it's just plain time for oil changes to occur when units are foaming...

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: Louis Bornwasser
The answer: NEVER. I had been the one who oiled them last. (Best argument for regular service.)

Also a good arguement to install seal kits on Simplex's if they don't have them. A Simplex can just hold enough oil for about a year with the seal kit on it.

Mark

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Dieter Depypere
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quote: Frank Dubrois
My question is, how bad would it be to put a little more oil in the unit (assuming the pump is sucking some air because of the tilt), or is there something else that can be done, or don't I even need to worry about it.
On our Philips FP 6, if the tilt is high (more than 20°), the manual claims to put in more oil. I would suggest get a manual and read.

quote: Michael Schaffer
That is quite common here in Los Estados Unidos.
I am just not able to believe that I am sorry... How about car engines, do THEY get enough oil? I suppose not.

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Michael Schaffer
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That is what I encounter every day. And apparently it's not just like that around here. Colleagues from other parts tell me exactly the same.
Why should I make that up? Actually, I find your reply very offending.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: Dieter Depypere
On our Philips FP 6, if the tilt is high (more than 20°), the manual claims to put in more oil. I would suggest get a manual and read.

Well Dieter,

The FP-6 is a VERY well designed projector and Phillips already had decades of experience with oil bath machines by then, On the other hand the X-L was the first(and only) oil bath machine for Simplex. Also keep in mind that the FP series by Phillips is really good stuff and hardly the pile of leaky potmetal that the Simplex is.

Mark

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Frank Dubrois
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So Mark, what would your suggestion be? Would adding a little more oil be OK? I'm sure it wouldnt hurt anything if we added some extra oil and watched it for a bit. If it still had bubbles then would you suggest more oil or just let it go? I dont want to damage our machines using to much oil, at the same time, I dont want the bubbles to cause premature wear either.

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David Stambaugh
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Moving fascinating discussion about at-will employment over here

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: Frank Dubrois
Would adding a little more oil be OK?
Well, If you have the seal kits on your 35's then you can add quite a bit of oil. In fact the more the better in a Simplex, but not so high that its up over the framer shaft as thats a leak spot. And no.... the bubbles really don't matter all that much as long as the machine keeps on oiling constantly.

I once went on a call where the theatre manager felt he had overfilled the machine a "tad bit". When I saw the oil half way up the gear cover window it was all I couod do to contain my laughter! Amazingly the machine hadn't leaked a drop of oil and I emptied out a quart and a half to get it back down to where it SHOULD be...... they say it was like this for at least several weeks before the owner of the small chain noticed something odd looking about that machine and called for service. And there are those fools that think the seal kit doesn't even work [Roll Eyes] .

Mark

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