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Author Topic: Buying Test Loops Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 05-30-2006 09:09 AM                        I know that it has been hard to resupply the hard-to-find loops. That is, properly, the job of your full-service dealer. Yes, I have NEVER run out of loops even during the multi-year Dolby dry spell a while ago. I even loaned them 2000 ft of cat 69. Now if you guys start a "run" I suppose I will then be out for awhile. Louis  |  IP: Logged Clyde Mc Kinney Film Handler Posts: 2 From: Danville, CA USA Registered: May 2006 posted 05-30-2006 05:24 PM                        Well I finally registered and was just accepted so I could post to this forum. As a rule I don’t comment in this arena, but I have gotten several phone calls and emails and thought I needed to join the discussion. First there is no picture – I guess I need to get one added. I was surprised at your comments Mark and frankly I don’t know where you are coming from. First you give me a backhanded compliment and then just slam me and then when challenged you take after Michael. It would seem that there is something else stuck in your craw. As for CinemAcoustics it is a long and somewhat sour subject with me, so I will not get into it. Suffice it to say, there is very good technology in the processor, but the implementation lacked the drive and support that the Dolby staff brought to their version of a digital processor. I want to thank those who came to my defense and also those who called and emailed me regarding the somewhat aggressive posting by Mark. Frankly the comments I got put Mark not in a very good light. So I am not sure what Mark was trying to accomplish ,but it backfired rather impressively. Now to the real subject of the thread I do produce the RP-40/PA-35 test film for SMPTE. I delivered the first product to them in November of last year and have delivered many thousands of feet of film to date. So they have film in stock and I have reserve stock here. It took me almost a year to get the equipment and process perfected. I have learned a lot about what I thought was going to be a routine project. Like others who have taken on projects, if I knew then what I know now I probably would have thought twice before taking on the project. God knows if I had invested in oil stocks I would be much better off now. It has consumed time and funds far beyond what I anticipated, but I feel that I now produce a product worthy of the SMPTE standard. As Steve Guttag, said the process produces a camera original, shot at low frame rates that is sprocket driven and pin registered. From the lighting source to the alignment of the camera to the lab practices there are many things that are variables and many places where the process can go wrong and that is why you can not get test film at mass production costings of way under $1.00 per foot, like the film companies pay for feature film releases. Producing resolution charts at or near the resolving point of a B&W film stock is not a simple or necessarily predictable process. The pricing of the film from SMPTE did not change when I took over the production. Yes I can produce state of the art test film charts for $2.00 to $3.00 per foot, which is less then SMPTE sells RP-40 for. The test charts can be used for focus, image stability, shutter ghosting, framing, or plate cutting in both standard feature and Supper 35 framing, with resolution down to the resolving power of the film, but the RP-40/PA-35 is a product of SMPTE and is a world wide standard for the industry and only SMPTE sells what we refer to as RP-40 or PA-35. All other versions of test charts are only that; other versions. They are not SMPTE RP-40/PA-35 test film and should not be labeled, or referred to as such. As Rick so aptly put it, they are Rick’s test film, or Mc-Tech’s test film, or NT Audios test film. I hope that clears some things up.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 05-30-2006 06:34 PM                  Clyde, welcome to Film-Tech. While I haven't talked with you in a long while, I personally am happy to see you here and sincerely hope you will post and share your vast knowledge and expertise with all of the members. I think you'll find most members here very friendly and not jerks. The only exception, other than myself, that comes to my mind is that Brad Miller... our Grand-Poo-BAH. But, I kiss-up to him since this is his board and he has the power to delete me and/or squish me like an ant! Again, welcome!  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-30-2006 08:36 PM                     Clyde, Welconme to Film-Tech! Its about time you check in here I had my reasons for what I said believe me. I certainly have great respect for you in all aspects which is what I was getting at in the first comment. The latter comment we will discuss in person some day and I have my reasons for what I said there too. However please accept my appologies for me typing it in this thread.... its something we probably should just have talked about in person some day anyway. Unfortunately others here don't know the reasons nor will they be privy to that, I'd bet that most here really don't even care. My biggest problem sometimes is that I care too much about what goes on and happens here locally. Keep your posts comming! Mark  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 05-30-2006 09:26 PM                     Phil, have you been in Utah training on posting etiquette with Mark recently? Welcome aboard Clyde. Not to worry, most of us don't bite (Phil excluded, as he bites in his own way).  |  IP: Logged Clyde Mc Kinney Film Handler Posts: 2 From: Danville, CA USA Registered: May 2006 posted 05-31-2006 02:15 AM                        Thanks Brad & Phil for the welcome and I guess I will find out someday what Marks issue is, but for know I will just be contant to read and comment when an issue moves me.  |  IP: Logged Richard Hamilton Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1341 From: Evansville, Indiana Registered: Jan 2000 posted 05-31-2006 07:15 AM                     Hey Clyde!  |  IP: Logged Luci Reeve Film Handler Posts: 50 From: Telluride, CO, USA Registered: Feb 2006 posted 06-02-2006 03:03 PM                        Hi Clyde! Very cool to see you here! On an earlier page I asked about color test loops (Peter Halter had one at the last film festival) and I would love to get one for myself because when I focus using a Black & White loop I have to adjust some when the picture hits the screen (color stock is thicker?) And sometimes there is not enough time between festival screenings to throw on two separate loops per projector---I'd love to have one loop do it all. Re: your photo...I sent mine in two months ago but I guess there hasn't been time to get it installed. See you soon I hope!  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 06-05-2006 09:15 AM                        Welcome Clyde! The SMPTE 35-PA is printed on silver image B&W stock. The SMPTE 35-IQ is the same target (specified in SMPTE RP40), but printed on color stock (usually only in the magenta dye layer). They WILL focus differently, as the silver image B&W film absorbs much more infrared energy, and so will have more heat deformation in the gate. Both the B&W film and color print film are made on 4.7 mil ESTAR support.  |  IP: Logged

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