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Author Topic: Adding trailers to platter (photo) Steve Scott Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1300 From: Minneapolis, MN Registered: Sep 2000 posted 12-19-2005 08:31 PM                     I'd be afraid to attempt that on any platter except a Christie.  |  IP: Logged Richard Hamilton Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1341 From: Evansville, Indiana Registered: Jan 2000 posted 12-19-2005 09:08 PM                     I have re-read this post a couple of times. I guess I am stupid because I don't understand, yet everyone is agreeing about this procedure! What is the reason for adding trailers this way? Why wouldn't you make up the trailers,wind them on the platter and just splice the existing feature onto them, available for the next show?  |  IP: Logged Brian Michael Weidemann Expert cat molester Posts: 944 From: Costa Mesa, CA United States Registered: Feb 2004 posted 12-19-2005 09:19 PM                        I used to do this all the time, when I had control of programming, swapping out, and adding trailers. As long as I kept an eye on it and, yes, had at least PART of the roll down and level with the rest of the feature, it works great. The reason I personally wouldn't have just spliced the feature to the trailer roll would be I'd have to wait a whole show before screening the trailers. At the second-run 8-plex I started at, I don't think we had the luxury of time. I'd rather screen them NOW, while I have time, than in two hours, when I may be swamped and not available to sit around for 10-15 minutes double-checking something I could have already done. (Plus, they were almost ALWAYS for new trailers we just received, and everyone wanted to watch them immediately. We still programmed first-run trailers.) Most of the time, though, I didn't have to add a whole 4-5 trailer pack to a feature; I added one or two at the most, or I was removing one or two and adding something their place ... which, if you do it right, you don't even need to rest anything on TOP of the rest of the print. Ah, I remember the days of trailer swapping (flawlessly, every time) in 5 minute turnarounds. It's THAT kind of stuff that makes the craft of booth operations fun! Now, it's just too bad that you can't add trailers to IMAX prints with a QTRU feed head in that fashion! It would sure save a load of time.  |  IP: Logged Paul Mayer Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under! Posts: 3836 From: Albuquerque, NM Registered: Feb 2000 posted 12-19-2005 09:39 PM                        Been there done that. Got the hat and t-shirt too. Big Sky platters handle such drop-ins just fine.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-19-2005 09:40 PM                        Well I don't know why anyone else does this procedure, but my reason is usually to add trailer(s) that arrive after I've built the film. It only happens rarely....only if I feel the new trailers absolutely MUST play on the next show. Normally I would run a spacer into the film after the trailers, lift them out and add/subtract what I need to.  |  IP: Logged Richard Hamilton Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1341 From: Evansville, Indiana Registered: Jan 2000 posted 12-19-2005 09:59 PM                     quote: Brian Michael Weidemann I'd rather screen them NOW, while I have time, than in two hours, when I may be swamped and not available to sit around for 10-15 minutes double-checking something I could have already done. (Plus, they were almost ALWAYS for new trailers we just received, and everyone wanted to watch them immediately. We still programmed first-run trailers.) Doesn't make sense. You have an extra 15 minutes during the first show to watch trailers that everyone wants to see immediately? If you do what I see in the original picture, then you have to stay and watch the film run through. If you don't, then you are asking for trouble. Again, I just don't understand this logic.  |  IP: Logged Brian Michael Weidemann Expert cat molester Posts: 944 From: Costa Mesa, CA United States Registered: Feb 2004 posted 12-19-2005 10:18 PM                        Yes, of course I had to stay to watch the film run through. I always screened them from the booth, anyway. Extra 15 minutes? Not really. Fellow employees would just say, "Hey, these came in, can you add them to something starting in the next 20 minutes?" If I built trailers and added them with, say, a bad splice, I'd catch it when I started that first run, while watching to make sure it feeds properly. If I ran the movie through bypassing those trailers on the first pass, I'd go to start its subsequent run and not think twice about leaving once on screen, to start threading another auditorium or something. Eight auditoriums, every one of them doubled up, you've got a lot of prints to keep track of (and this was early in my "career") so I wouldn't have put it past myself to have an oversight. Either I'm just not a patient person, or I just like completing the task I start because I don't trust I'll finish if I put off the last steps. I don't know. There's no real LOGIC here. You just do what you have to do, with whatever circumstances, to get something on screen.  |  IP: Logged Richard Hamilton Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1341 From: Evansville, Indiana Registered: Jan 2000 posted 12-19-2005 10:38 PM                     not to be a smartass, but I still don't comprehend! A "fellow employee" can hand you some previews, ask you to run them on a print that starts in 20 minutes, and this is better? This means you make them up on a ring with attached leader, then take them off the ring, lay them on top of the feature, splice them, thread them, start them, and then watch them?  |  IP: Logged Steve Scott Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1300 From: Minneapolis, MN Registered: Sep 2000 posted 12-19-2005 10:42 PM                     With an ever-growing number of megaplexes, fewer booth staff to help out, and the contiuned demand of many owners for more work in fewer work hours, solutions like this one are a necessity, if they can be successfully accomplished.  |  IP: Logged Brian Michael Weidemann Expert cat molester Posts: 944 From: Costa Mesa, CA United States Registered: Feb 2004 posted 12-19-2005 10:53 PM                        Sure, that's the quickest way to add the trailer. I'd take out the ring of the feature, removing the leader with it. I'd splice in however many trailers to that leader, and then splice that pack back to the print. THEN remove the ring, with the bulk of the new trailers somewhat like the picture, and it's ready to go. Thread the leader as normal. The new trailer is first, and once it's run through, it's all good, as if it were always there.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-20-2005 12:33 AM                     Richard, center dropping trailers inside the film roll before any show...regardless of whether you took up the previous show on a large center ring (or with a bunch of large cores around the ring to "create" a larger ring)...this is a far better solution for the film than having the trailers on the takeup ring and making the splice there. It's less unnecessary handling of the film. It also permits every show to have a full trailer pack presented to the audience, which is absolutely the professional way to operate. Does that answer your question?  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 12-20-2005 01:03 AM                     ..or just make a new trailer pak mounted on a ring, mount that ring the deck and splice the feature to the end of the pak and run that feature without trailers for that showing - the actual easy way if you need to make a new trailer pak for that current feature...if one gets a little anal on our method of trailer inserts.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-20-2005 02:00 AM                     Monte, that's what I just described as the unprofessional way to change trailers! Not only is there unnecessary film handling involved that can put tiny marks around your splice, but it does not give the complete presentation to the audience for that performance. Any projectionist of mine that does trailer changes in this manner finds he is working elsewhere the next week.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 12-20-2005 03:02 AM                     Yea, I knew that even though I don't do that practice anymore. (Gee, would help for me to read through some posts before making comments..instead of "jumping the gun" and replying)  |  IP: Logged Richard Hamilton Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1341 From: Evansville, Indiana Registered: Jan 2000 posted 12-20-2005 06:40 AM                     I am only asking why this way is better. I can see both sides to do this. Everyone has their preferences and reasons, I just saw this and thought to myself "WTF?". Another question kind of on topic, what happens when you MUST take a trailer off that happens to be in the middle of your "trailer pack"?  |  IP: Logged

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