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Author Topic: Super Simplex / RCA 1040 / Peerless Magnarc Restoration Will Kutler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1506 From: Tucson, AZ, USA Registered: Feb 2001 posted 01-23-2006 02:55 PM                     An E-7 question for both Mark G. and John E. I wonder about a potential problem with the Bijur Oiling System. Did you guys ever do occasional disassembly/testing to ensure that the oiler is working properly and that the check valves are working ok and that their is no gunk in the lines preventing oil from getting to the gears and shafts? Cheers K  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 01-23-2006 03:08 PM                     Please excuse me for "butting" in with this one question, but I used to work at an old "mom and pop" theatre in my early days of being a projectionist where this theatre had a pair of E-7s with Strong Moguls with WE-206 soundheads. The left machine would run pretty quiet, but the other was a bit on the rattly side. Found out that the oiler was indeed had plugged lines running to the geartrain for that one machine. One night after work, I took off that oiler, and cleaned out the lines to ensure full feed of oil to the geartrain. Quieted the machine down since then and suprisingly, the acorn gear on the oblique was still in good condition. Figured that I did pretty good since I've never done this task before - just figured on how it worked by looking at the parts manual of this machine - the way on how I learned on being a machine mechanic. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-23-2006 07:56 PM                     quote: Will Kutler I wonder about a potential problem with the Bijur Oiling System. Did you guys ever do occasional disassembly/testing to ensure that the oiler is working properly and that the check valves are working ok and that their is no gunk in the lines preventing oil from getting to the gears and shafts? Will, Thats somehting I check on every visit. Although at present there is just one E-7 on my service route. Using a small flachlight its easy to watch for oil outflowing from each bushings. Generally they only get clogged up from standing unused as the oil evaporates and dries in the lines. Pumping through some solvent usually clears up a clogged line easily. Mark  |  IP: Logged John Eickhof Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 588 From: Wendell, ID USA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-24-2006 12:10 PM                        Like Mark, I too would check oil flow on every service call plus I would lightly oil the fibre gears. On rebuild, the entire system would be dis-assembled and lines cleaned and the flow regulators (of several different drip amounts per gear) would be cleaned and the leather cup in the BiJur pump would be replaced. Never had any oiling troubles with the E-7s unless when on a severe down angle the drip tube for the oblique (or vert gear) was not adjusted to drip onto the gear mesh point. [ 01-26-2006, 05:06 PM: Message edited by: John Eickhof ]  |  IP: Logged Bob Koch Expert Film Handler Posts: 183 From: williams ca Registered: Nov 2001 posted 01-24-2006 12:47 PM                     According to the ancient guru`s from IPC read 1938, the tube in the oiling system over the oblique gear was only intended as a "trace" for the entire oiling system. How long is a couple of drops of projector oil going to stay on these gears? These gears should be lubricated with an oil that will cling i.e. Houghton Sta-Put or the old ERPI Alaska oil. Seems to me Motiograph came out with a gear lubricant for their million gear AA also.  |  IP: Logged John Eickhof Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 588 From: Wendell, ID USA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-24-2006 12:56 PM                        Hi Bob! Good point except that fibre gears inherently absorb oil and when saturated they will retain the oil for very long periods of time, thus the gears used in most of the older machines were fibre. ( You seldom had to oil the gear faces on a super ! ) However, the later replacements, mainly century that used the nylon / plastic type gears, the saturation is impossible and surface lubricants are required!! Remember how they used to get hot and scorched?? A real poor application of plastic in my book!! I remember Larry Little (once worked for Sam Kaplan..founder of the Century projector corp.) Always told me to apply a few drops of projector oil to the fibre gears in the century and NEVER use vasoline or Century gear lube!! and absolutely no 'Lubri-plate'! And Most of the century machines I ever dealt with that were equipped with fibre gears actually ran very nice and quiet! And they stayed a lot cleaner on the gear side!!  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 01-24-2006 01:44 PM                     quote: Always told me to apply a few drops of projector oil to the fibre gears in the century and NEVER use vasoline or Century gear lube!! ...and how many Centurys in our time have been gooped up with Vasoline or Lubriplate? Would it be safe then to get all of this goop off and do the oil trick then on these fibre gears? thx-Monte  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 01-24-2006 02:33 PM                        FYI: Century gear lubricant came out in 1962, along with the nylon gears. Previously gears were lubricated just as John indicated with regular projection oil on the surface. Louis  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-24-2006 07:10 PM                     quote: and absolutely no 'Lubri-plate'! Absolutely! Anyone on these threads using that crap should be chained to the machine they applied it to and made to chisle it off each gear tooth. Once they are done they should be done permanently and be banned from these threads. Bob, We still have some umopened cans of that Motiograph gear oil in the stock room.... I think I'm afraid to open one though..... . Mark  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 01-24-2006 07:52 PM                  This is sooo exciting I can hardly contain myself.......  |  IP: Logged Bob Koch Expert Film Handler Posts: 183 From: williams ca Registered: Nov 2001 posted 01-24-2006 08:09 PM                     Phil: I knew you would liove this.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 01-24-2006 08:12 PM                  Hahahahaha...thanks, Bob! I was just making a point for Mark and his unenlightened post in another thread...  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-24-2006 08:56 PM                     quote: Hahahahaha...thanks, Bob! Bla bla bla bla bla bla.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 01-25-2006 12:24 AM                     LOL..sorry Mark, EDWARDS gave me a bunch of tubes of Lubriplate to slick up those roller bearing on the AW3r platters..but I never used the stuff on the P35's themselves. Monte  |  IP: Logged Will Kutler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1506 From: Tucson, AZ, USA Registered: Feb 2001 posted 01-25-2006 03:38 AM                     Monte is hereby ELECTED to CLEAN EVERY AW-3 roller AND payout head lubed with Lubriplate throughtout the US!  |  IP: Logged

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