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Author Topic: Running flat trailers on scope Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 05-31-2006 07:56 PM                     Oh bullcrap. You would have to be a complete doofus to not notice a lens change during the trailer order. But tough shit. Do a lens change. Show some flat trailers. Then show your policy stuff. Then show the 'scope trailers and the movie in 'scope. Throw the lens change in wherever it is most appropriate, but INCLUDE the lens change. If your policy trailers have to go right before the show starts then you're stuck running 'scope policy trailers (unless you want to jump from flat policy trailers to running the movie in 'scope, which would work fine on any Warner Bros. release with those looooooongggg openings of black before the logo shows up). There is absolutely no excuse in showing flat trailers through a 'scope lens. That looks extremely stupid. I will have the 100% right to laugh at any theater which resorts to that. It's either that or they better have a cue tape or bearing suddenly on the fritz. The really bad problem is if your feature is FLAT and you have nothing but 'scope trailers for certain movies the home office is demanding be shown. That's a real inspiration for dread. Wow. The previews are big, but the feature is SMALL. In short, anything going out of the projector needs to be shown in the proper aspect ratio through the proper lens. If that cannot be managed then the theater shouldn't be allowed to charge admission. Very basic stuff. A lot more basic than maintaining good EQ in the sound system.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 05-31-2006 08:33 PM                     If you're really concerned about scope being bigger than flat, the solution is to get a special longer scope lens just for scope-before-flat previews. Of course, looking smaller might not be all that hot, either. Which reminds me, I keep meaning to figure out what focal length (shorter) we need to show letteredboxed flat trailers (of scope movies) such that they fill the scope image area. We occasionally get stuck with them (and we don't always have the scope trailer to replace it with), and I figure even with a cruddy old cokebottle it would look better. A really small flat image is just pathetic sometimes. (In our multipurpose theatre venue, we're neither common-height nor common-width, but somewhere inbetween, and lacking masking. A shift from scope to flat doesn't look bad.) --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Joel N. Weber II Expert Film Handler Posts: 115 From: Somerville, MA, USA Registered: Dec 2005 posted 05-31-2006 09:09 PM                     Besides, the lack of optical port glass probably means that even the best lens will look like a cruddy old cokebottle in that venue.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 06-01-2006 04:09 AM                     quote: Joel N. Weber II the lack of optical port glass probably means that even the best lens will look like a cruddy old cokebottle in that venue. Actually, if there wasn't any port glass..the light output would be the better since the light output doesn't have to suffer shooting through an actual liquid that is in suspension. Why, basically the of the port glass is to keep the machine noise from heading out into the auditorium. But, there is a trick that can be used if on really wanted open port windows and the noise can still stay in the booth - and that is to construct a double baffled port opening. the inside baffle, which is constructed out of cardboard and adhered to the inside port frame, has an opening that just allows the light to exit out with the edges just barely touching the edges of the light on all four corners, and the outside of the port frame is another baffle that has a wider opening with the same cutout in touching the edge of the light, just for the light to exit out to the screen.. The inside baffle really keeps the majority of the sound from exiting out the port, and the outside baffle keeps the sound from going out altogether since that baffle keeps the sound inbetween the two baffles. How, I figured this out was that our port window was accidently broken, and being special glass, had to send the framework in (a Kelmar port assembly) to install the new glass. In the meantime is when I came up with this double baffle idea...and it did really work... -Monte  |  IP: Logged Mark Lensenmayer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1605 From: Upper Arlington, OH Registered: Sep 1999 posted 06-01-2006 07:16 AM                     Please, Please, PLEASE don't EVER show any piece of film with the wrong lens. It is amateurish and would be a reason for me to never return to that location. I would much rather have a few second delay while the lens is changed than see a trailer shown incorrectly.  |  IP: Logged Mitchell Dvoskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1869 From: West Milford, NJ, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 06-01-2006 08:44 AM                     Some years ago, I made the mistake of going to see Gods And Monsters at my local Clearview Cinema, a chain in the NY Metro area owned by Cablevision. They ran flat trailers though the scope lens. It looked terrible. After the movie, I tracked down the manager to complain, and was told that they were "ordered" by their district manager to run them that way. Neither myself, or anyone who was with me that day, has set foot in a Clearview Cinema since.  |  IP: Logged Larry Myers Master Film Handler Posts: 371 From: Herndon, VA, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 06-01-2006 09:09 AM                 Although I have seen some flat trailers run scope. I have never seen a scope trailer run flat. Maybe because most pre show house info and popcorn ads are flat. These are usually run as scope if a scope feature is coming up so why not a few flat trailers to boot? Bull or not you pro guys could run a simple test. That is run a short flat trailer as scope and actually watch what happens. If it's preceded with a flat house ad run as scope, I say nothing.  |  IP: Logged Allison Parsons Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 630 From: East Peoria, IL Registered: Oct 2004 posted 06-01-2006 09:14 AM                        I always find it funny that if you do accidently put a scope trailer on a flat movie (or vice versa), sometimes you can see the boom microphone in some of the scene's! Anyway....  |  IP: Logged Dan Chilton Expert Film Handler Posts: 191 From: Springfield, MO Registered: Mar 2004 posted 06-01-2006 03:36 PM                        Well, I ran 2 flat trailers through a 90 degree rotated scope lense last night. I warned the audience before hand, cracked a joke about it, and they were fine. We are a small, single screen theater - there is no home office dictating what we screen, no army of incompetent projectionists (just one incompetent: me), no lack of port glass, etc. There's only a loyal audience and two movies that really, really needed promoting. When it comes down to trailering movies that I think our audience would appreciate, and benefit from seeing, I'll do anything I have to to get them on the screen. Slightly off the topic, but I haven't had much luck in the trailer request topic. Are people still looking at that?  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-01-2006 05:56 PM                        quote: Dan Chilton Slightly off the topic, but I haven't had much luck in the trailer request topic. Are people still looking at that? Apparently not much. I put a request up about 6 months ago and got instant results, but a request a few weeks ago went un-responded. Although I did get a note after-the-fact from a fellow exhib offering to send whatever trailers he could.  |  IP: Logged Michael Brown Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1522 From: Bradford, England Registered: May 2001 posted 06-02-2006 09:00 PM                     quote: Larry Myers That is run a short flat trailer as scope and actually watch what happens. Just because nobody complains doesn't make it right.  |  IP: Logged Ian Bailey Master Film Handler Posts: 317 From: Nambucca Heads, Australia Registered: Jun 2003 posted 06-02-2006 09:51 PM                     Why don't you run the whole lot with the Flat Lens...................!!!!!! Just do a Lens Change-Why would you EVER run Flat trailers with a Scope lens-THINK OF YOUR CUSTOMERS THEY ARE THE ONES WHO PAY YOUR WAGE. Ian  |  IP: Logged Ron Curran Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 504 From: Springwood NSW Australia Registered: Feb 2006 posted 06-02-2006 10:08 PM                        Absolutely, Ian. Perhaps we don't understand the problem. I have run manual and automation and, in either system, we can change from one format to the other and back again within the same show. One thing that threw mw was the Joyeux Noel trailer which seemed to have a 25% squeeze and we couldn't cope with that.  |  IP: Logged Martin Ubilluz Film Handler Posts: 21 From: boca raton,fl / United states of America Registered: Apr 2006 posted 06-03-2006 12:56 AM                     i cant believe this is even a topic, not only is it really stupid the most unprofessional thing you could do. If you don't have an atomation that u can put a cue where you want the lens change or you do it your self. put leader, or what i do is cut off the green band on every trailer but if i need to do a lens change i keep green band on so nothing is lost during the lens change. I mean attendance is gone down in movie theaters much due to HDTV and shit and most every one loves trailers and you company is not doing your theater or any other a service by making the presentation look like total shit i emplore every one in the forum who shows trailers or anything else through the wrong lens and stop giving theaters a bad name IF YOU CANT CANGE THE LENS DONT SHOW FILM THROUGH THE WRONG ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-03-2006 08:49 AM                        quote: Mitchell Dvoskin Neither myself, or anyone who was with me that day, has set foot in a Clearview Cinema since. Mitchell. Neither foot nor nose nor pubic hair into their excuses for theatres. Clearview "Cinemas" = They should go back to video business where they belong.  |  IP: Logged

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