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Author Topic: Someone at Technicolor is trying to kill me Matt Fields Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 545 From: Ohio, United States Registered: Jun 2005 posted 08-26-2006 08:59 AM                     "Fox" Box is a large grey box that is used to hold a large number of reels (usually a whole movie) that is really heavy and a pain. I think 20th Century Fox used them first, hence the name. But any ETS print around here (Sony, Fox, Warners, Paramount, New Line, ect.) might come in one.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-26-2006 12:22 PM                        Hint for carrying a Fox Box: Rather than using the flimsy handle, set the box on a table, trash can, etc and then pick it up by extending your arms to the front front bottom corners so the weight of the box is against your chest. It's much easier to carry that way. I place the box on the rewind bench and unload the reels out of it...hence, no bending to set it down. For breakdown, put the box back on the bench and load the reels into it as you fill them. You can then pick the box up to carry it downstairs without having to bend over.  |  IP: Logged Charles Greenlee Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 801 From: Savannah, Ga, U.S. Registered: Jun 2006 posted 08-26-2006 12:53 PM                        Yeah, that's how you do it. Sometimes I don't have that option. Esp with Benton. They put it on the gorund, and I have to pick it up to carry it upstairs. And when they pick up our old prints, somone has them already on the floor, so I have to pick them up to carry them down for the benton guy. I only wiegh 130, and at 6'1" that's a bit of umph I have to put into it. (The reason I mention hieght is a shorter person at the same wight would be proportially stronger, due to CofG and leverage)  |  IP: Logged Adam Martin I'm not even gonna point out the irony. Posts: 3686 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 08-26-2006 03:07 PM                      |  IP: Logged James Westbrook Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1133 From: Lubbock, Texas, Usa Registered: Mar 2006 posted 08-27-2006 01:32 AM                     That's some nice looking shelving there...which theatre was that picture taken?  |  IP: Logged Adam Martin I'm not even gonna point out the irony. Posts: 3686 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 08-27-2006 02:01 AM                     It was somewhere in the picture warehouse. I don't remember.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 08-28-2006 03:43 AM                     (and then, there are those damnable clamshell plastic cases in the assembly to the right of the main assembly in the picture....grrr..those are a pain to close at times...) - Monte  |  IP: Logged Charles Greenlee Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 801 From: Savannah, Ga, U.S. Registered: Jun 2006 posted 08-28-2006 11:22 AM                        Monte, those are the ones I said I liked earlier. Their handles don't cut into my hand, and I'm not carrying the entire movie in one box. However, they can be such a pain to close. I just to get some pvc pipe to put around the handles of the metal cans so their handles don't hurt so much.  |  IP: Logged Dominic Espinosa Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1172 From: California, U.S.A. Registered: Jan 2004 posted 08-29-2006 12:20 AM                     The plastic cases aren't so bad. Just like with the heavier loop-hinge type cans you've got to pull the top straight up at a 90 degree angle to the bottom to straighten the hinge out. Long as you do that they're fine. Just don't get cut on that stupid cable they use to attach the plastic clip!  |  IP: Logged Jarryd Beard Expert Film Handler Posts: 229 From: Hellertown, PA Registered: Jul 2004 posted 08-29-2006 01:43 PM                     Same thing happened to our projectionist a couple months back. The MUT slammed into the platter and we had several damaged rollers. We called Technicolor and asked for the claims department. They didn't know what to say. After a few weeks, someone got back to us once and we gave them replacement part numbers. Haven't heard from them since. I guess we need to make a follow up call.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 08-29-2006 10:11 PM                     ..and a theatre is gonna blame TECH for the theatre's ill-training in film handling procedures in the first place and expect full satisfaction for damages caused? Should ask a bunch of us on when we had our MUTS slam into the platters due to a crimped lead end on the core, when it was our responsibility in the first place to check such matters before mounting film on the platters....and some of us learned that one the hard way...only to blame ourselves. ....Good Luck.......that aint gonna fly....  |  IP: Logged Tim Burke Film Handler Posts: 1 From: Wilmington, OH/United States Registered: Aug 2005 posted 08-31-2006 01:46 PM                  Meredith, We apologize for this. Our corrective action is: -As of Friday August 25th, we directed both of our depots, Wilmington, OH and Ontario, CA, to pull/not to use again, said translucent reels. We commit to never use again unless we are absolutely out of reels, which has not happened in years. We are budgeted to purchase 100K new reels before year end. Again we apologize. All on Film-Tech should feel comfortable contacting me directly any time. My direct line at the office is (800)99-FILMS ext 6089 Tim Burke GM of Technicolor Cinema Distribution  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 08-31-2006 02:59 PM                     I've seen the end leader tuck thing on the orange ones as well..or, in fact with ALL of the reels coming from TECH. Don't blame the lonely transluscent reel. The problem isn't the flanges, it's how the end lead is attached to the core, for I've never had any probs with the translucent flanges outside of broken locking assemblies, but shoot, when you're in the theatre business you have to expect nothing is perfect. Those good ol metal reels are a distant past (and to think in the olden days when we would get those reels with the flanges all bent in and we had to pull them out to straight to wind film off or on...) and things nowdays are going to plastic (to save manufacturing costs and shipping weight), you gotta learn to work with what is coming out. Also, once again, it's really not even whoever is doing the folding trick of the tail leads their fault in a way. Just that they need to know AND be re-educated that we are dealing with poly film and there has to be an handling adustment when dealing with poly film and that is simply NOT to fold the tail end in the core slot. Yes, that was a horrible accident to happen with flying roller being stuck to the ceiling (with me busting rollers off of the MUT due to the MUT slamming into the platter decks, MUT falling over and breaking the knob completely off the variac spindle, bending the decks where I have to straighten up the deck-but I didn't cry out loud, only to myself for not being more observant in checking the reels...), but I'm sure after this accident, that eyes are now being rep-educated more to observe such situation so it won't happen again. The bottom thing is that we all need to work together on this and stop pointing fingers. The depots needs to be re-educated on their end of film handling, and if they have employee problems, THEN, the film handlers on OUR end needs to be re-educated on watching in such areas to prevent such booth accidents on their end. ...for what it's worth .. thx -Monte  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 09-01-2006 10:03 AM                     First of all I have to say that this particular kind of reel IS more prone to this happening than other reel types, at least in my experience. Technicolor did the right thing by pulling it. HOWEVER, I have to strongly agree with Monte here. This isn't completely Tech's fault. First of all its not Tech people that tuck the tail into the core-that happens at the lab. The people at Technicolor only snap the two halves of the reel on the core. Two things solve this problem: 1) Proper inspection of the reel before makeup. This error can happen on ANY snap together reel, not just the above mentioned ones, 2) SLOW DOWN the MUT/rewind bench when you get towards the end of the reel. There is no reason to be going full speed when you get to the end of the reel. This has happened to me before-similar incident as mentioned above, had the MUT yanked into the platter when the tail got stuck in the core. Learned my lesson, now I always slow down.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 09-01-2006 11:09 AM                        In most cases, the print is wound up onto those 4-inch cores right from the dryer of the processing machine. Normally, the end of the film is simple wrapped around the core but NOT attached. Indeed, at the lab, there would not be enough time for the process machine operator to insert and lock the film into the core slot, since they have only a dozen or so seconds to start each new roll: I suspect this incident of poor practice occurred "downstream" of the lab. The "near miss" of this incident certainly should make checking to be sure the film is not tightly attached to the core a SOP (Standard Operating Practice) in every projection room.  |  IP: Logged

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