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Author Topic: Someone at Technicolor is trying to kill me Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 09-01-2006 06:59 PM                     *ponders* Every reel I've ever dealt with was either taped or tucked into the core. Come to think of it I can't remember how many are taped vs. tucked but I'm thinking more for taping. Since the film exchanges don't do any rewinding of the reels how could they have any control over how its attached to the core? The only thing I can think of is the qaulity check process that some reels go through, but doesn't that take place at the labs? Someone help me here and let me know if I've got all this backwards.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 09-01-2006 09:19 PM                     John, the labs indeed do either tape or tuck the film into the core. I can't remember the last time I got a brand new print that was just "slip-grabbed" onto the core. It's been many, many years.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 09-02-2006 07:09 PM                     What I was wonderin about with Dustin's comments: Are the depots handling any film anymore to where they just clip on the flanges, drop them into the cans and shoot them out to the theatres - not paying any attention on how the lead ends are in the cores. If so, then let's leave TECH out of the blame for all of this lead attachment thing.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 09-19-2006 09:16 PM                        quote: Brad Miller John, the labs indeed do either tape or tuck the film into the core. I can't remember the last time I got a brand new print that was just "slip-grabbed" onto the core. It's been many, many years. In the photo shown, that attachment would be unlikely at the lab, if only because the process machine takeoff operator has so little time between each reel coming off the machine. A "slip grab" would be preferred practice, as it does not kink the film end, or leave a piece of tape on it, possibly causing a jam. A "slip grab" is the way Kodak wraps the raw film on the core after perforating.  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 09-19-2006 10:47 PM                     If I understand correctly reels are printed 3 at a time. That is, reels 1, 3, and 5 or a movie would be printed as one big 'reel'. Only after are they chopped up into individual reels. This process happens at the labs and not the exchanges. This must be where the taping/tucking is taking place. If I got something wrong here just let me know. Its just that we've been told time and time again the reason the exchanges use snap together reels is that they don't have enough time/resources to rewind every reel on to a shipping reel off the lab cores. If the exchanges don't rewind film how can they possibly have anything to do with the way its attached to the core?  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 09-19-2006 11:47 PM                     ...could be that the exchanges are indeed winding the film on the cores before clipping the flanges on the cores, if the film arrives from the labs in the alternating reel fashion on the big rolls. Could be then why new prints are being shipped with heads and tails up reels in the cans ... Also, I've noticed of the rolls of film that have been clipped together with the flanges, the holddown tape have been broken - like if the reel was truely rewound to be in the heads up position for circuit releases.. I've always used the slipwind method on core and on reel hub - both on shipping and when I used the house reels. Just never like the bending, wearing out an such with lead ends.. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Barry Floyd Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1079 From: Lebanon, Tennessee, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 09-20-2006 09:53 AM                        Same thing happened to me last week during the build up of "GridIron Gang". The tail of R7 was attached to the core like the one in the picture. Just like the others - I was running the table too fast, slammed the table into the platter deck and bent both rollers on the table post and one on the table tensioning thing. Completely my fault for not checking the reel, but it was a costly mistake. Took the rollers off - took them home and straightened the brackets in my workbench vise.  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 09-20-2006 10:48 AM                        Had the same thing happen to me at my indoor. I posted pictures here, but can't find the thread now. It looked just like this one, though. Don't recall any damage, other than to a few feet of film. I was bummed enough to request a replacement reel, which I got. I also felt like I should have been ready for it, though it's only happened once in some 37 years. Bummer!  |  IP: Logged Charles Greenlee Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 801 From: Savannah, Ga, U.S. Registered: Jun 2006 posted 09-20-2006 11:12 AM                        I sitll haven't had that problem, just one where the film was caught in the hub's slot because it had been folded over too many times, or got snapped in when the flanges got put on. I don't recall ever seeing anything wedged in to hold it in. I think they just don't like you .  |  IP: Logged Blaine Young Master Film Handler Posts: 477 From: Kirkland, WA, USA Registered: Sep 2006 posted 09-20-2006 01:37 PM                     I'm amazed that this situation happens as much as it appears to be based on this thread. First, I never build directly off the shipping reels. It makes it nearly impossible to inspect the reels for factory splicing and framing the reels is a bitch in most booth lighting. A perfect example was the end of Reel 3 on "Snakes on a Plane", or any time the director has decided to do a fade out/in at a reel change. Second, I never allow a reel to spool out when I'm on the bench. Since I'm inspecting the reels for splices (as mentioned above), and other various visual imperfections, spinning at high speed unattended just isn't an issue. I absolutely abhor factory/production/chemical splices. They are ugly on the screen and unless they are on a frame line on a flat print, they will be seen. In the current realm of digital audio, the popping issue they make when going through the analog audio system has been rendered almost moot, so it's a visual thing for me. Blaine  |  IP: Logged Blaine Young Master Film Handler Posts: 477 From: Kirkland, WA, USA Registered: Sep 2006 posted 09-21-2006 01:02 PM                     Just received a print of "Flyboys" on 8 reels packed in a "Fox Box". If that wasn't bad enough, the 'cut in' attached trailer was put on the feature out of frame. When the attached trailers are 'cut in' (rather than printed on the same film element), is that done at the distributor? Blaine  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 09-21-2006 01:08 PM                     The studio pays the depot to attach the trailer.  |  IP: Logged Blaine Young Master Film Handler Posts: 477 From: Kirkland, WA, USA Registered: Sep 2006 posted 09-21-2006 02:29 PM                     I've not had two 'Sony' prints with out of frame trailers cut onto the head of R1. Talladega Nights and All the King's Men. I suppose they realize that we're going to cut in other material between the trailer and feature (policy, dolby, dts, whatever) so they don't really pay much attention. I've got some projectionists on staff that don't double-check for factory splices being in frame and actually expect them to be done. These are also the same guys that 'trust' the markings on the print to find the cut point between the attached and the feature. Of course we all know where that leads...  |  IP: Logged David Campbell Film Handler Posts: 12 From: Gettysburg, PA, USA Registered: Oct 2005 posted 10-12-2006 07:59 PM                     Aside from fox boxes and poorly cut trailers, almost two months since Technicolor decided they were "immediately pulling these style reels from normal use" my brand new, sealed print of "Man of the Year" arrived on six of these junk reels! Must be one of those emergency situations at TES.  |  IP: Logged

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