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Louis Bornwasser
Film God

Posts: 4441
From: prospect ky usa
Registered: Mar 2005

posted 03-04-2007 03:02 PM

We bought a Chin. metal lathe; it took us months to get it reasonably "straight." Later bought an old Pratt & Whitney 1959 heavy metal lathe. It was perfect! Louis

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Tim Reed
Better Projection Pays

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From: Northampton, PA
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posted 03-04-2007 03:18 PM

quote: Louis Bornwasser
Didn't Bauer have a similar device used by UA?

Yes! That was the first thing that popped in my mind when I saw the pix.

Wonderful forethought to have that platter right down there on the floor, where you can't work on it! [Roll Eyes]

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Richard Hamilton
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Evansville, Indiana
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posted 03-05-2007 12:50 PM

Thomas,
Here is the link to that projector. If you are serious, E-mail me and I will get you prices. That total system is about $13,500 U.S.

Monte,

quote: Monte L Fullmer
The metal formulation was obviously substandard-rough surfaces being not polished to smoothness. The INT sprocket wasn't machined all that too carefully. Massive film dust everywhere in that thing hinting of sharp edges where the edge of the film makes contact.

.....What???? I worked that booth all week and never saw any dusting. The machining was one thing that we were surprised about the quality. Maybe you are thinking of a different manufacturer.

quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
This statement is what you will find on most Chineese manufactured stuff being imported over here. The quality of the fit and finish is VERY crappy. Oil Seals also tend to wear out very quickly... not necessarily because the oil seals are bad but because the shaft finish its running on stinks. This quality is also very common on Chineese built machine tools

Mark, Stick to what you know best, machine tools, caves and scopes. Your responses never seem to surprise me. You can badmouth any piece of equipment you haven't dealt with. I am just curious, have you even seen a projector from Horizon? I did the first multiplex with them and they put up one of the best images I have seen.

[racial comments deleted]

Rick

[ 03-05-2007, 05:57 PM: Message edited by: Aaron Sisemore ]

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Gordon McLeod
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From: Toronto Ontario Canada
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posted 03-05-2007 04:08 PM

You know mark low end products no matter where they come from suck and the asian manufacturers are no different but they also produce some excellent high end equipment that is not cheap

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Aaron Sisemore
Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day!

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From: Rockwall TX USA
Registered: Sep 1999

posted 03-05-2007 06:08 PM

Mark and Richard: Please refrain from using the racial epithets.

Thank you.

Back OT:

The bottom deck on the underslung Horizon 'platterjector' does not function and is solely used to store a second print, which would still have to be clamped and moved to one of the main decks.

-Aaron

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Scott Norwood
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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
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posted 03-05-2007 06:14 PM

quote: Aaron Sisemore
The bottom deck on the underslung Horizon 'platterjector' does not function and is solely used to store a second print, which would still have to be clamped and moved to one of the main decks.

Wow...this must make makeup and breakdown lots of "fun."

For $13k, I'd take a good, used Simplex or Century setup with an AW3 platter over this, although I can see how it might make sense in a very small booth.

(sorry, Brad...I've never seen a Goldberg platter reel, even in "classy" theatres, and I seriously doubt that any place that buys this machine would spring for one or more platter reels)

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Richard Hamilton
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Evansville, Indiana
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posted 03-05-2007 07:22 PM

Aaron,
My response was a smartass remark against Marks comments about Chinese people. He referred to them as Chinks in this thread and Commies in another thread. I have very strong threads to people in China and I don't appreciate these remarks, same as I don't appreciate how you can edit my posts. Instead of editing them, just delete them in the future, because as you change it, it becomes something that is not mine. It's shit like this that is driving me away from posting anything else on this forum

Rick

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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From: Music City
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posted 03-05-2007 09:05 PM

Rick,

Accept my appologies for calling them by their nicknames as many do. Ok... Chineese and Communists is what I'll stick to in the future... I've had black people call me "Whitie" and Spanish people call me other names and I'm sure you call me some too... and really who cares.

As to my experience in this industry and my other technical background you haven't a clue, and yes... my hobbies are VERY diverse. What do you do in your spare time?

Mark

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David Stambaugh
Film God

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From: Eugene, Oregon
Registered: Jan 2002

posted 03-05-2007 09:13 PM

Jeez, are you guys talking about the cheap crap at Harbor Freight? You can probably get a POS Chinese-made metal lathe there for $99.97. [Roll Eyes]

That doesn't prove that China can't produce a quality metal lathe. If everything from China was as bad as you say, how would China be able to manufacture anything at all? [Confused]

(I know - They buy used 50s-vintage American machine tools! [Wink]

) It's not like American companies never build junk for sale at a low price point. They can and they do. Same for the Japanese, etc.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 03-05-2007 10:04 PM

quote: David Stambaugh
That doesn't prove that China can't produce a quality metal lathe.

Dave,

The stuff at Harbor Frieght is definately not a good example of what quality merchandise any country can produce, yes its all junk. Actually China can produce nice precision stuff but the high precision machine tools generally are not allowed on the import market here for some reason or other. They make nice high precision lathes very similar to a Hardinge... in fact its probably more of a clone of a Hardinge. They were imported over here for a while back in the 80's and the cost was about 15K which is alot less than 40K for a new Hardinge HLV. A friend was going to buy one in the late 80's but opted for the Hardinge instead. I think he made a wise choice from a parts and support standpoint and the Hardinge will last at least several lifetimes.

Here is an interesting story about one fellow who bought one of those Harbor Freight Lathes

I've delt with a number of Asian projectors over the years and none of them had the fit and finish that ours do let alone the European stuff.

Mark

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Monte L Fullmer
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From: Nampa, Idaho, USA
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posted 03-06-2007 01:14 AM

(dang, didn't mean to start up a confrontation here..sorry on that.....)

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Eric Robinson
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Santa Rosa, CA
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posted 03-06-2007 01:31 AM

One thing for sure...the print will become well lubricated if the projector starts to leak oil!

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Richard Hamilton
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From: Evansville, Indiana
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 03-06-2007 11:51 AM

quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
Rick,

Accept my appologies for calling them by their nicknames as many do.

Mark, no apology necessary. I was just making a smartass remark towards you. You know I get defensive about the Chinese. I have strong ( NO PUN INTENDED ) ties with alot of friends there. I actually expected you to say something about the workmanship from China. We're good [beer]

, I just always try to speak my mind.

Rick

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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From: Music City
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posted 03-06-2007 03:09 PM

Rick,

Believe me I'm not anti-cChineese at all. Would love to go there some day but there are alot of mines to explore here before they are re-claimed, many with gold like you saw.

Recently I had a batch of some 300 circuit boards manufactured in China. These were made to Mil specs, .093" G-10 with 2-oz. foil and gold plated, solder masked and silk screened... the works. They even solder masked half of them blue and left the other half bare gold plate. They are gorgeous to say the least and the boards took only 6 days from the time I sent my files by e-mail till I had them. Cost with next day UPS shipping was less than 1/3 of the least expensisive board house here in the States. The quality I would say was MUCH better than the batch of 250 U.S. made boards I had done last year by Advanced Circuits in Colorado.

Mark

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Monte L Fullmer
Film God

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From: Nampa, Idaho, USA
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posted 03-08-2007 03:49 AM

quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
... The quality I would say was MUCH better than the batch of 250 U.S. made boards...

We're just gonna have to keep an eye on China as the most industrialized country in the world for they're definitely working on a system that can outdo our manufacturing systems.

Like next year, they want to bring a car over to the States..from Geely Motors...and tons of dealers are waiting for that day, since the price of that particular model will be a couple of thousand less than Kia's popular model...and highly fuel efficent and economical, esp with these fuel prices that has hit our country that are on a roller coaster ride for right now.

The top six automakers in China below:

Geely
Chery Automobile
Great Wall Motors (GWM)
Zhongxing Auto
Zhonghua (Brilliance Auto)
Hafei Auto

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