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Author Topic: ShoWest 2006 Wearhouse Pictures Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 03-08-2007 04:31 AM                     China now produces more steel than the US, EU, and Japan....combined. Nothing to scoff at.  |  IP: Logged Richard Hamilton Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1341 From: Evansville, Indiana Registered: Jan 2000 posted 03-08-2007 06:04 AM                     Monte, The city I have an apartment in ,Changchun, has a major auto plant there. It is an Audi/VW plant. The majority of cars on the road were Audi A6's and VW Jettas. Almost every Taxi was an older Jetta. I met many people from Germany who were there to do work/training at the factory. I don't know if they will export them or not. The city's population is around 8 million. Rick  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-18-2007 01:00 PM                     Whilst at Showorst I took some time to examine the Horizon Projector and came to the ultimate conclusion that it is exactly as I said in my original post... touch and go. The quality of the main casting is quite inferior on the unmachned areas where the exposed "Sand Casting" actually took on the appearance more of a "Gravel Casting". Its what you typically see in the inexpensive Chinese machine tools that are being imported today. Also there was quite a bit of film dust on the interior of the machne as was stated by someone else in this thread. The machine did have a nice solid sound to it while running but why on earth is it enclosed? That only serves to make cleaning it all the more difficult in todyas multiplex. The gear train appeared adaquate and the overall quality of the actual gearing which is similar to an X-L looks good but remains to be seen. To those that buy these machines time will tell. The platter is woefully inadaquate for a normal multiplex in terms of capacity but ran smooth. Another beef I have with this Chinese stuff is the woeful quality of the electrical components that are typically used.... just awful stuff. Over all I would say this is just an average projector. Mark  |  IP: Logged John Walsh Film God Posts: 2490 From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way Registered: Oct 1999 posted 03-18-2007 05:05 PM                     Yes, but what was the price and how does that price compare to a normal console/power supply/projector/platter setup?  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-18-2007 05:19 PM                     John, Over the life of a theater or plex the price diffrence... any savings is for the most part is false economy!! Its not really all that important unless you are a real cheap skate. Most of our customers buy new projection equipment when it comes to new builds and the difference in cost of the Chinese machine over one you sell is really irrelevant. Again I judge it to be just an average projector... not one that I'd be selling to my customers anyway. Mark  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 03-18-2007 08:15 PM                     ...with using a glass mirror, the price of the mirrow is only $250.00(??) ... and using bulbs from 1k to 4.2k - wow, what versatility... ..and price of an intermittent assembly only $200.00(??) Price for the platter version was $11k, whereas the all-in-one priced out at $13k (from what the rep there told me on this - and I loved the upside down SPECO failsafe unit on that Horizon...that one really got me...but it'd be easy to clean that way..but did wonder why a unit was fully enclosed. And the one door assembly fully reminded me of the door on a one piece Monee ) [ 03-19-2007, 02:07 AM: Message edited by: Monte L Fullmer ]  |  IP: Logged Bevan Wright Expert Film Handler Posts: 176 From: Fountain Valley, CA, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 03-18-2007 09:59 PM                        Monte, I'm afraid you are confused, MIT has never done anything with a Monee projector. Perhaps you are confusing us with LIT.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 03-19-2007 02:03 AM                     (Whoops, my bad - got the letters turned around and please accept my apologies to the Moving Images Technology company..need to be a bit more careful on such references)  |  IP: Logged John Walsh Film God Posts: 2490 From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way Registered: Oct 1999 posted 03-19-2007 07:30 AM                     Hi, Mark ... I hear you and agree that being cheap can be false economy. But with the generally low quality of films being released, poor percentages, digital on the way, etc, even owners who were not cheap may now be tempted to do things they otherwise might not do. They simply don't have the money and, 'saving' say, $2K times a 20-plex equals $40K.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-19-2007 07:44 AM                        But how do you upgrade something like this? In a standard setup, I can upgrade the parts individually (lamphouse, projector head, soundhead, platter, etc.). With this, you'd have to throw the whole thing away if you wanted to upgrade any part of it.  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 03-19-2007 08:50 AM                        Scott: you are correct.....you just don't upgrade. Louis  |  IP: Logged Richard Fowler Film God Posts: 2392 From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 03-19-2007 10:24 AM                     The heads are available open faced. Chinese manufacturers tend to sell systems as complete with many models / versions for specific uses; their normal enduser is not thinking upgrade or "new and improved" since the marketplace competitive incentive is not their mindset. So buy now and throw away when digital is here how many $39.95 progressive DVD players do you send in for service? You guys are hoping for that sound drum reverse scan upgrade kit for that W.E. Universal base projector should be ready any day...the market demands it!!  |  IP: Logged Richard Hamilton Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1341 From: Evansville, Indiana Registered: Jan 2000 posted 03-19-2007 01:24 PM                     quote: Richard Fowler So buy now and throw away when digital is here Richard, I did the first multiplex install of the Horizon projectors here, and that is one reason the theater went with this projector. The multiplex expects to switch over to digital in the future. Horizon even marketed the projector that way (to an extent) at the show last year when the debuted it. Not as a throwaway, but as a cheaper alternative. Rick  |  IP: Logged Richard Fowler Film God Posts: 2392 From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 03-19-2007 01:51 PM                     Rick, as one noted equipment as "average", attractive price does help, depending on what side of the situation you are in. There are other "average" equipment in the market, with brand name frame, mixed with the obviously superior ( or comfortable ) product  |  IP: Logged Richard Hamilton Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1341 From: Evansville, Indiana Registered: Jan 2000 posted 03-19-2007 02:27 PM                     Richard, With "hands On" experience, I will say these machines put out an excellent image. The stability rivaled a dual intermittent machine. They had some design problems that we worked on, I hear they fixed them. I met at the factory in Harbin with the engineers last January, and then last year when they came to the states for Showest. They weren't familiar with multiplexes and I spent a week or so taking them around the states after the show. I haven't had any involvement with them since, other than chatting with the translator online every few weeks Rick  |  IP: Logged

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