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Michael Coate
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quote: Louis Bornwasser
I did the Superman world premiere at the Uptown; standard Dolby 70mm.
I think you are confusing "Superman" (1978) with "Superman II" (1981), Louis. The original movie's world premiere was held at the Kennedy Center.

quote: Steve Guttag
I'd think that split surround would have been advertised for that one.
quote: Sam D. Chavez
I don't believe Superman was advertised with stereo surrounds as it was still in R & D.
Guys, the split-surround format was never advertised in newspaper display ads. The only time I came across a split-surround mention in advertising was in a text-based exhibitor ad in Los Angeles for one of the "Indiana Jones" sequels. Photographic evidence of theater marquees hasn't revealed any split-surround mention either.

In the case of "Apocalypse Now," one of the early ads announcing advance ticket sales included a quote from Coppola mentioning the sound being "a unique Dolby 6-track Quintaphonic System coming from speakers specially installed in the theatre." But once the movie opened, the most-common ads for the 70mm engagements simply featured the then-standard Dolby Stereo logo with "70mm Six-Track" underneath in surprisingly tiny print.

As far as I know, the guys at Dolby never came up with a trade name or logo to differentiate the split-surround format from their other 70mm formats. So, in this instance, suggesting I "check the ads" isn't going to get me the answer I am seeking.

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Sam D. Chavez
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quote: Michael Coate
In the case of "Apocalypse Now," one of the early ads announcing advance ticket sales included a quote from Coppola mentioning the sound being "a unique Dolby 6-track Quintaphonic System coming from speakers specially installed in the theatre." But once the movie opened, the most-common ads for the 70mm engagements simply featured the then-standard Dolby Stereo logo with "70mm Six-Track" underneath in surprisingly tiny print.

As far as I know, the guys at Dolby never came up with a trade name or logo to differentiate the split-surround format from their other 70mm formats. So, in this instance, suggesting I "check the ads" isn't going to get me the answer I am seeking.

I gotta say you're being a bit difficult here. You ask for information and then denigrate the people who provide it if it's not 100% accurate to your standards. It might help if you gave a clue as to what you are looking for. And you are the one who used the term "commercial" which would lead one to believe you're looking for evidence and you mine ads for info better than anyone.

Also, as you know definitions get blurred as to "world premieres" particularly in DC. I've done a series of screenings at the Uptown back in the day where one night was a presidential screening with secret service and the next night was another audience and then finally a public opening so there can be some confusion.

Lastly, directors like Coppola were given to hyperbole as there certainly no Quintaphonic involved in the playback chain. He just could not help gushing about his new film.

As I indicated previously, Superman stereo surround was played back via early prototypes as the SA5 was not ready for release. So, SA5 was first provided for Apocalypse Now.

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Michael Coate
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quote: Sam D. Chavez
I gotta say you're being a bit difficult here. You ask for information and then denigrate the people who provide it if it's not 100% accurate to your standards. It might help if you gave a clue as to what you are looking for. And you are the one who used the term "commercial" which would lead one to believe you're looking for evidence and you mine ads for info better than anyone.
Difficult? How so? I simply wish to confirm if the general public was ever able to experience a split-surround presentation of "Superman."

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I, for one, am not offended here. My memory of events that are not directly tied to me are going to be blurry a bit. I do know the DC area and how the exhibitors advertised since I worked for both K-B and Circle during the '80s. They loved to promote their own stuff as much as possible. This includes nonsensical formats like presented in "Kintek-DBX" ...which would have been at the K-B Cinema. If they spent money on a format (or just equipment), they wanted people to know about it.

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Sam D. Chavez
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I'm not offended. More like annoyed with your "C'mon Guys response. I answered your main question the first time and then gave more detail the next time and gave you the name of the actual engineer of the equipment if you needed more followup.

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Louis Bornwasser
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Both Supermans were premiered at the Uptown. $1000 tickets for Saturday night and $500 for Sunday afternoon. Money to Special Olympics.

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Jonathan Goeldner
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I'm digressing here but wasn't the big world 'Kennedy Center' premier event "The Empire Strikes Back" in May of 1980.

also (Michael): the first Indiana Jones movie with split surrounds was 'The Last Crusade' --- oh the memories of seeing that on it's opening day at the KB Cinema - Channel 5 TV, right across the street interviewed my friends and I as we were the first ones in line.

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Michael Coate
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Regarding the split-surround issue, this is the best I can do....

"Superman": The 70mm Engagements

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“Superman”: The 70mm Engagements

Compiled by Michael Coate

The following is a reference / historical listing of the 70-millimeter presentations of “Superman” in North America. The film’s 70mm prints consisted of full-frame imagery blown up from anamorphic 35mm photography. The audio was Six-Track Dolby Stereo (“A” encoded “baby boom” format with a slit-surround playback option*).

“Superman” was among eight first-run films released in 1978 with 70mm prints for selected engagements. The Alexander Salkind production and Warner Bros. release — directed by Richard Donner and starring Marlon Brando, Gene Hackman and Christopher Reeve — opened December 15th.

The film’s world premiere was held December 10th at the Kennedy Center in Washington, DC. As well, several regional premieres took place between the 11th and 14th.

The duration of the engagements, measured in weeks played, has been included for some entries in parenthesis following the cinema name.

Note that some of the presentations included in this listing may have been presented in 35mm during the latter weeks of engagement due to print damage and the distributor’s unwillingness to supply a 70mm replacement print or because the booking was moved to a smaller, 35mm-only auditorium within a multiplex. As well, the reverse is true whereas several bookings began with a 35mm print because the lab was unable to complete the 70mm print order in time for an opening-day delivery or the exhibitor negotiated a mid-run switch to 70mm. In these cases, the 35mm portion of the engagement has been included in the duration figure.

*It should be noted that other than the Northpoint in San Francisco it is undetermined which cinema(s) during the original first-run release played “Superman” in a split-surround presentation since (1) the split-surround portion of the presentation was considered a test and not promoted, and (2) the split-surround decoding equipment had not yet been made available; a prototype of the SA-5 surround adapter for use with the Dolby CP100 was manufactured for the cinema(s) in which the test presentations were held.

CALIFORNIA
Costa Mesa — Mann’s South Coast Plaza Triplex (27 weeks) [70mm from Week #3]
Los Angeles (Hollywood) — Mann’s Chinese (22)
Los Angeles (Westwood Village) — Mann’s National (17)
Los Angeles (Woodland Hills) — UA’s Warner Center 6-plex (26) [70mm from Week #3]
San Diego — Mann’s Cinema 21 (7) [70mm from Week #2]
San Francisco — Plitt’s Northpoint (23) [70mm from Week #2]
San Jose — Mann’s Town & Country (25) [70mm from Week #7]

COLORADO
Denver — Mann’s Century 21 (?) [70mm from Week #2]

ILLINOIS
Belleville — BAC’s Cinema (?) [70mm from Week #2]
Calumet City — Plitt’s River Oaks 4-plex (21) [70mm from Week #11]
Chicago — Plitt’s Esquire (12) [70mm from Week #3]
Northbrook — Center’s Edens Twin (16) [70mm from Week #3]
Oak Brook — Plitt’s Oakbrook (21) [70mm from Week #3]
Schaumburg — Plitt’s Woodfield 4-plex (20) [70mm from Week #3]

KENTUCKY
Louisville — Redstone’s Showcase 8-plex (22) [70mm from Week #12]

MASSACHUSETTS
Boston — Sack’s Cinema 57 Twin (13) [70mm from Week #4]

MICHIGAN
Livonia — Nicholas George’s Mai Kai (23) [70mm from Week #3]
Southfield — Nicholas George’s Americana 4-plex (23) [70mm from Week #3]

MINNESOTA
Bloomington — General Cinema’s Southtown (23) [70mm from Week #3]
Brooklyn Center — Plitt’s Brookdale (23) [70mm from Week #3]

NEW YORK
New York — Cinema 5’s Murray Hill (16)
New York — Loews’ Astor Plaza (16)
New York — Loews’ Orpheum Twin (17)

OREGON
Beaverton — Luxury Theatres’ Westgate Triplex (23) [70mm from Week #2]
Portland — Luxury Theatres’ Eastgate Triplex (23) [70mm from Week #2]

TEXAS
Dallas — General Cinema’s Northpark West Twin (21) [70mm from Week #6]

SUBSEQUENT 70MM ENGAGEMENTS & SCREENINGS

1979-01-26 … Washington, DC — Circle’s Embassy Circle (19)
1979-04-04 … New York, NY — Moss’ Criterion (7)
1979-05-25 … San Francisco, CA — Blumenfeld’s Royal
1979-07-13 … Seattle, WA — Seven Gables’ Crest 70 (3)
1979-07-25 … Philadelphia, PA — Parkwood Manor (2)
1979-09-26 … Philadelphia, PA — Parkwood Manor (1)

1980-06-27 … New York, NY — Loews’ State Twin (3)

1981-01-15 … Toronto, ON — Cinesphere (4 days) [70mm fest]
1981-03-19 … Toronto, ON — Cinesphere (11 days) [70mm fest]
1981-09-18 … Montreal, QC — United’s York (3)
1981-11-20 … Ottawa, ON — National Arts Centre Opera (2 days)

1982-01-27 … Toronto, ON — Cinesphere (5 days) [70mm fest]

1983-01-19 … Toronto, ON — Cinesphere (5 days) [70mm fest]

1992-07-17 … Los Angeles (Miracle Mile), CA — LACMA’s Bing [70mm fest]
1992-08-19 … Los Angeles (Miracle Mile), CA — Four Star (1) [70mm fest; w/“T2”]
1992-10-11 … Los Angeles (Century City), CA — AMC’s Century 14-plex [retro fest]
1992-10-15 … Los Angeles (Century City), CA — AMC’s Century 14-plex [retro fest]

1999-09-03 … Los Angeles (Westwood Village), CA — Mann’s Plaza (midnight; 3 days)

2008-04-18 … Seattle, WA — Cinerama (1)

The information in this article has been principally referenced from film industry trade publications, regional newspaper promotion and Dolby Labs’ records, with thanks to Sam D. Chavez, Bill Kretzel and Vince Young.

Additional 70mm prints were screened internationally but have not been accounted for in this article.

If you believe this article contains any errors or omissions, please consider emailing the author or editor.


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Martin Brooks
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Michael Coate
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quote: Martin Brooks
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Lemme guess: You got an experience seeing one of the "Superman" sequels mixed up with the original and then deleted your comment before I pointed out the mistaken recollection?

Let's put it to the test:

Superman II: The 70mm Engagements

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“Superman II”: The 70mm Engagements

Compiled by Michael Coate

“The adventure continues.”

The following is a reference / historical listing of the 70-millimeter presentations of “Superman II” in North America. These were full-frame prints blown up from anamorphic 35mm photography. The audio was Six-Track Dolby Stereo (“A” encoded “baby boom” format with a slit-surround playback option).

“Superman II” was among eight first-run films released in 1981 with 70mm prints for selected engagements. The Alexander Salkind production and Warner Bros. release was directed by Richard Donner (uncredited) and Richard Lester and starred Gene Hackman and Christopher Reeve.

“Superman II” opened in late 1980 and early 1981 in several countries throughout the world. The North American premiere was held May 31st, 1981, at the Uptown in Washington, DC. The public release in North America commenced June 19th.

The duration of the engagements, measured in weeks played, has been included for some entries in parenthesis following the cinema name.

Note that some of the presentations included in this listing may have been presented in 35mm during the latter weeks of engagement due to print damage and the distributor’s unwillingness to supply a 70mm replacement print or because the booking was moved to a smaller, 35mm-only auditorium within a multiplex. As well, the reverse may have been true in some cases whereas a booking began with a 35mm print because the lab was unable to complete the 70mm print order in time for an opening-day delivery or the exhibitor negotiated a mid-run switch to 70mm. In these cases, the 35mm portion of the engagement has been included in the duration figure.

CALIFORNIA
Bakersfield — UA’s Movies 6-plex (24 weeks) [70mm from Week #21]
Los Angeles — Mann’s Chinese Triplex (#1: 9) [Megasound]
Los Angeles — Mann’s Chinese Triplex (#2: 2) [Megasound]
Los Angeles — Mann’s Village (9) [Megasound]
Newport Beach — Edwards’ Newport Twin (9) [70mm from Week #3]
Orange — Syufy’s Cinedome 6-plex (13) [70mm from Week #5]
San Jose — Syufy’s Century 22 Triplex (#1)
San Jose — Syufy’s Century 22 Triplex (#2)

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Washington — Circle’s Uptown (15)

HAWAII
Honolulu — Consolidated’s Waikiki Twin (9)

MASSACHUSETTS
Boston — Sack’s Cinema 57 Twin (10)

NEW JERSEY
Totowa — UA’s Cinema 46 Triplex (6)

NEW YORK
New York — Cinema 5’s Murray Hill (14)
New York — RKO Century’s Cinerama Twin (14)

VIRGINIA
Springfield — General Cinema’s Springfield Mall 6-plex (14)

SUBSEQUENT 70MM ENGAGEMENTS & SCREENINGS

1981-08-21 … Los Angeles, CA — Mann’s Vogue (1)
1981-09-04 … Los Angeles, CA — Pacific’s Picwood (4)
1981-10-23 … Salt Lake City, UT — Plitt’s Crossroads Triplex (2)
1981-11-25 … Cleveland, OH — Colony (1)

1982-02-10 … Toronto, ON — Cinesphere (5 days) [70mm fest]
1982-03-29 … Ottawa, ON — National Arts Centre Opera
1982-10-08 … Los Angeles, CA — Pacific’s Cinerama Dome (2)
1982-10-22 … Los Angeles, CA — Plitt’s Century Plaza Twin (2)
1982-10-22 … Pasadena, CA — SRO’s Hastings (1)
1982-10-22 … Tucson, AZ — Plitt’s Foothills 4-plex (1)
1982-10-29 … Los Angeles, CA — Mann’s Hollywood (1) [w/“Tron”]
1982-10-29 … Philadelphia, PA — Budco’s Regency Twin (1)
1982-10-29 … Seattle, WA — SRO’s Music Box (2) [w/“Firefox”]
1982-11-12 … Lynnwood, WA — SRO’s Grand Alderwood 5-plex (4) [w/“Firefox”]

1983-01-26 … Toronto, ON — Cinesphere (5 days) [70mm fest]

The information in this article has been principally referenced from film industry trade publications, regional newspaper promotion and Dolby Labs’ records, with thanks to Bill Kretzel, Paul Linfesty and J. Thomas.

Additional 70mm prints were screened internationally but have not been accounted for in this article.

If you believe this article contains any errors or omissions, please consider emailing the author or editor.

Superman III: The 70mm Engagements

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“Superman III”: The 70mm Engagements

Compiled by Michael Coate

The following is a reference / historical listing of the 70-millimeter presentations of “Superman III” in North America. The film’s 70mm prints consisted of full-frame imagery blown up from anamorphic 35mm photography. The audio was Six-Track Dolby Stereo (“A” encoded “baby boom” format).

“Superman III” was among thirteen first-run films released in 1983 with 70mm prints for selected engagements. The Alexander Salkind production and Warner Bros. release — directed by Richard Lester and starring Christopher Reeve and Richard Pryor — opened June 17th.

The duration of the engagements, measured in weeks played, has been included for some entries in parenthesis following the cinema name.

Note that some of the presentations included in this listing may have been presented in 35mm during the latter weeks of engagement due to print damage and the distributor’s unwillingness to supply a 70mm replacement print or because the booking was moved to a smaller, 35mm-only auditorium within a multiplex. As well, the reverse may have been true in some cases whereas a booking began with a 35mm print because the lab was unable to complete the 70mm print order in time for an opening-day delivery or the exhibitor negotiated a mid-run format switch to 70mm. In these cases, the 35mm portion of the engagement has been included in the duration figure.

ALBERTA
Calgary — Famous Players’ Chinook (7 weeks)
Edmonton — Famous Players’ Paramount (4)

BRITISH COLUMBIA
Burnaby — Famous Players’ Lougheed Mall Triplex (5)
Vancouver — Famous Players’ Stanley (7)

CALIFORNIA
Costa Mesa — Edwards’ South Coast Plaza Triplex (6)
Los Angeles — Mann’s Chinese Triplex (5)
Los Angeles — Mann’s Village (4)
Orange — Syufy’s City Center Twin (6)
San Jose — Syufy’s Century 22 Triplex

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Washington — Circle’s Uptown (4)

KENTUCKY
Louisville — Redstone’s Showcase 9-plex (8)

MANITOBA
Winnipeg — Famous Players’ Metropolitan (4)

MASSACHUSETTS
Boston — Sack’s Cinema 57 Twin (6)

NEW JERSEY
Paramus — RKO Century’s Route 17 Twin (6)
Totowa — UA’s Cinema 46 Triplex (6)

NEW YORK
New York — Cinema 5’s Murray Hill (8)
New York — Moss’ Criterion Center 6-plex (9)
Syosset — UA’s Syosset (6)

ONTARIO
Ottawa — Famous Players’ Nelson (8)
Toronto — Famous Players’ Hollywood Twin (4)
Toronto — Famous Players’ Palace Triplex (6)

QUEBEC
Montreal — United’s Palace 6-plex (9)

SUBSEQUENT 70MM ENGAGEMENTS

1983-07-15 … Winnipeg, MB — Famous Players’ Northstar Twin (3)
1983-07-29 … Temple City, CA — Edwards’ Temple 4-plex (3) [w/“WarGames”]
1983-09-16 … Montclair, CA — SRO’s Montclair Triplex (7) [w/“WarGames”]
1983-11-04 … Riverside, CA — Sanborn’s Canyon Crest 9-plex (5) [w/“WarGames”]
1983-12-26 … Toronto, ON — Cinesphere (1) [70mm fest]

The information in this article has been principally referenced from film industry trade publications, regional newspaper promotion and Dolby Labs’ records, with thanks to Bill Kretzel.

Additional 70mm prints were screened internationally but have not been accounted for in this article.

If you believe this article contains any errors or omissions, please consider emailing the author or editor.


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An interesting aside on the SA5 issue
Famous Players in Toronto had invested heavily in the CP100's and most had the SA5 added except the uptown that was set up to use two JBL electronic crossovers and two of the RDL mixing modules to derive the split surrounds with outboard A type modules
Premier operating diod something similar with their Eprad SuperstarScope processors

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quote: Michael Coate
Lemme guess: You got an experience seeing one of the "Superman" sequels mixed up with the original and then deleted your comment before I pointed out the mistaken recollection?
No, I realized that I was responding to a years old post and that someone else answered the question.

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