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Frank Angel
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As long as UltraStereo was mentioned, let me ask, what exactly is the difference between a film recorded in that format and the Dolby format(s). Is it akin to Dolby A, SR....what? If you get such a print, what format do you choose?

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Robert Throop
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I thought "U-2 Rattle and Hum" was an early SR film.
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Steve Guttag
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I think that was covered either above or on another thread but Ultra*Stereo and DTS Stereo are similar to Dolby-A...so similar that one uses the same format on the sound processor. They are not identical since the circuits used are not identical. DTS Stereo also uses more of the optical track, as I recall...they cheat the full dimensions of the optical track specs.

U2 Rattle and Hum was definately released in Dolby SR....The K-B Cinema installed and SRA-5 for that film.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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U-2 was indeed the first SR single inventory release. I ran demo reels of it for people from Paramount in Type A purposely for them to see "how compatable" the SR track was played back in Type A. This testing was done at Willis Johnson's then twin screen Elk Grove Cinema. There was a 0004-SPH B-chain there in the larger screen. I know this testing was done in other parts of the country... basically in every city Paramount had a booking office at that time. Did anyone else here run the test reels? After that film I believe all releases were single inventory SR

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David Stambaugh
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U2 Rattle and Hum was the first movie I recall being specifically advertised as playing in Dolby SR in Orange County CA. It was at the then-new Edwards Charter Centre 5 in Huntington Beach, in a THX house. They played it as loud as they reasonably could and my recollection is it sounded *very* good. [beer]

(As is often the case my comment has little to do with the thread at hand. [Wink] )

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Michael Coate
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I agree with Dave that the U2 film sounded very good in SR. See below.

quote: Robert Throop
I thought "U-2 Rattle and Hum" was an early SR film.
"U2: Rattle And Hum" was released in the U.S. in November 1988 and was among the 27 SR releases identified in the "Year 2" figures of my Page 3 post.

What did you guys think of the SR format circa late-1980s? Did you think it sounded better than "A"? As good or better than 70mm six-track magnetic?

Many of the SR presentations I heard sounded no different than what I would expect from a good "A" presentation. Three exceptions: "U2: Rattle And Hum" (which I saw at the Chinese in Hollywood), "RoboCop" (also at Chinese), and "Robin Hood: Prince Of Thieves" (Village, Westwood). Those three stood out at the time as sounding significantly superior to "A" presentations and nearly as good or as good as a 70mm six-track magnetic presentation.

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Steve Guttag
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Nothing yet, in my mind or ears, has sounded as good as 70mm 6-track, especially SR but even A was pretty darn impressive.

SR optical sounded its best with geniune SR and with an IR reader, in the initial tests I had. The typical forward scan reader didn't have enough HF (and the preamps were also low-passed) so the upper octave was notably missing.

Steve

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