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Scott Norwood
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 - posted 11-08-2007 08:12 AM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi, Larry.

Stupid question: is there a difference between the white skate and the black skate (other than the color)?

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Larry Shaw
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 - posted 12-11-2007 03:39 AM      Profile for Larry Shaw   Author's Homepage   Email Larry Shaw   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Scott,
Not at all a stupid question. There is no difference except the black ones produce less stray light in the booth, which most folks prefer. The material is otherwise identical.
Larry

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Stephen Furley
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 - posted 12-11-2007 03:51 AM      Profile for Stephen Furley   Email Stephen Furley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I've seen, from a distance, some that were a sort of bronze colour; what were they?

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Larry Shaw
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Hi Stephen,
That is a long-life skate. We think of it as more of a tan or beige color. It is a hard material, some have asked if it is a ceramic (its not)and it can break if smashed against a hard surface. The trade offs are higher cost and a less slippery surface resulting in a tiny bit less stability and greater dirt retention. We sell few.

Coincidentally I just finished an hour or so at http://www.lamptech.co.uk . A very interesting site. Thanks.

Larry

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Stephen Furley
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quote: Larry Shaw
That is a long-life skate. We think of it as more of a tan or beige color. It is a hard material, some have asked if it is a ceramic (its not)and it can break if smashed against a hard surface. The trade offs are higher cost and a less slippery surface resulting in a tiny bit less stability and greater dirt retention. We sell few.
I can't see the point in it, if the only advantage is a a longer life. I don't know what the normal ones cost, but whatever it is it's going to be a tiny amount in the total cost of running a cinema, and the normal ones last for quite a while. (unless you do what I did once, and leave light on scren with the gate open for a few seconds, until you notice the smoke coming from it. [Frown]

quote: Larry Shaw
Coincidentally I just finished an hour or so at http://www.lamptech.co.uk . A very interesting site. Thanks.

It's an interesting site. It's run by James Hooker; he doesn't get much time to work on it, so updates are rather infrequent.

The 2kW three electrode xenon lamp from a tank searchlight web page looks very similar to the ones used in the early BTH xenon conversions for film projectors; terrible things, I haven't seen one for years, and I don't think you can get the lamps now.

The Philips 500W water cooled mercury lamp, web page looks something like the pulsed lamps that Philips used for projection, from pictures that I've seen of them, though I've never actually seen one of the lamps. Bernard Tonks would know; he used to run them.

There's something here about a repair that James did on an old lightbulb; he's a clever fellow.

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Bernard Tonks
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quote: Stephen Furley
The Philips 500W water cooled mercury lamp, web page looks something like the pulsed lamps that Philips used for projection, from pictures that I've seen of them, though I've never actually seen one of the lamps. Bernard Tonks would know; he used to run them.
Well almost the same, and as the website picture except that Philips used 800 watts for the FP20 pulse light projector.

To quote from a manual, the SSP.800 gas discharge lamp consists of a quartz tube only 3-1/8” (80mm long), 72 impulses per second or three impulses per frame, there of course being no flicker shutter. The average life of lamp was 33 hours under full load. The average bulb life at the ABC Queens, Bayswater was between 60-70 hours, and many did upto 115 hours. The size of scope screen was 36’. This was in the year 1960, and the lamps were water cooled.

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Brad Miller
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I've tested the tan skate and can confirm what Larry said. My preference is the black skate (and of course metal runners instead of the delrin).

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Larry Shaw
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We actually have a Pulselight setup here at our shop, but not hooked up. I particularly enjoy the Bosch automotive spark plugs in the power supply. Seems perfect for a Drive-In.

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Gordon McLeod
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I ran both a pair of FP16 and a pair of FP20 with pulse light

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