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Author Topic: DTS Problem with Die Hard 4 Ian Bailey Master Film Handler Posts: 317 From: Nambucca Heads, Australia Registered: Jun 2003 posted 08-12-2007 08:44 PM                     Hi Mike I felt sure I had the latest version of the software for the XD-10......I will check it as it is only playing the first few minutes then dropping out.The only thing the XD-10 shows on the panel from that point on is the time code being read and no other info.Rebooting the XD=10 does nothing after the drop out. It's weird how it's happening right at this misterious splice. I've swapped screens today to try it in my other XD-10 so it will be interesting to see what happens. Cheers Ian  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 08-12-2007 09:48 PM                     If you really think the splice itself is the culprit why don't you try removing it (and cleaning up the location of if just to be safe) then remake the place?  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-12-2007 10:55 PM                     I don't think he means it's the actual splice, but more where the splice is. I think it's more likely an update issue. I assume the prints are all new and not second-hand? Had once the case with American Pie 2 where there was a newly printed opening added to a second-hand reel one. The DTS worked OK until the splice as the versions obviously differed. As SRD was not an option due to the track on the used print being almost non-existant, we ended up getting the file elsewhere and made our own disc which included the Australian version and the US version of reel one and it played no problem at all. [ 08-13-2007, 12:26 AM: Message edited by: John Wilson ]  |  IP: Logged Phil Blake Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 558 From: esperance western australia Registered: Nov 2003 posted 08-15-2007 10:39 PM                        Ok I am starting to become a little confused myself. My DTS 6AD would not run harry Potter discs , I ran the upgrade from "Lucky You" feature discs , from that point on everything was working fine. I too now have an issue with Die Hard 4 discs not reading , they start off then just stop reading , has there been in fact another upgrade done, do I need to install further discs or could it be my die hard discs are faulty ?  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-16-2007 03:35 AM                     Hey Phil Are the prints new or second hand with the alternate title spliced on to the beginning as new stock?  |  IP: Logged Daniel Schulz Master Film Handler Posts: 387 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 08-16-2007 11:02 AM                        There were two different versions of Die Hard 4 with two separate mixes, so if it looks as though they've spliced a head section from one print run onto the prints from the other version, then that might explain the DTS dropping out. There were two entirely separate runs of DTS discs with differing serial numbers, so if these prints are combining both versions then the DTS will play only through the print section matching what's on the disc.  |  IP: Logged Mike B. Smith Film Handler Posts: 82 From: Universal City Registered: Nov 2004 posted 08-16-2007 12:47 PM                     Don't be confused Phil, the upgrade on your 6AD with Harry Potter should have been sufficent, no other updates have been issued. However as Dan pointed out,their were two different mixes done. This is a common practice but in most cases all reels are included on the same disc set so any print will find the correct audio file. So what you could do to futher check into the drop out is, on both the 6AD and the XD10 it will display the s/n and reel number when the timecode is recieved. Check the serial number printed on the disc and see if the displayed s/n changes when it drops out.  |  IP: Logged Phil Blake Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 558 From: esperance western australia Registered: Nov 2003 posted 08-18-2007 02:12 AM                        Thanks for the tips I will investigate.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 08-20-2007 08:38 AM                    quote: Mark J. Marshall Watch the serial number (not the film title) on the XD10 display. Does it change when the splice goes through? quote: Daniel Schulz There were two entirely separate runs of DTS discs with differing serial numbers hmmm....  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 08-23-2007 04:21 PM                        quote: Mike B. Smith However as Dan pointed out,their were two different mixes done. This is a common practice but in most cases all reels are included on the same disc set so any print will find the correct audio file. Hey Mike -- could you elaborate on how this works? Assuming both versions have their sound track reels numbered starting at R1, how do you combine the two versions on one set of discs? Do you put the duplicate reel number on opposite discs (ie. version A on disc A, version B on disc B) to prevent naming collisions? Or is the filename meaningless (save for the .APX extension) such that you can simply rename the files? Or do you do something else? Thanks.  |  IP: Logged Daniel Schulz Master Film Handler Posts: 387 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 08-24-2007 01:18 PM                        Ah, there's the rub: DTS couldn't include both versions on one set of discs. When there is a single alternate reel (as when there is a re-mix for international territories to accomodate a change in logos), DTS will include both versions of the reel by using an alternate reel number, e.g. assigning Reel 13 to the alternate reel 1. But when there are two entirely different mixes of the entire feature, there isn't enough disc real estate to include both versions, so there are separate disc runs and separate serial numbers: functionally, it's treated as two separate movies. This is why if it turns out Die Hard 4 has had prints spliced together from the two versions neither disc set will play back the entire feature.  |  IP: Logged Blaine Young Master Film Handler Posts: 477 From: Kirkland, WA, USA Registered: Sep 2006 posted 08-24-2007 02:37 PM                     When one of the Star Wars features was issued (I'm thinking it was "AotC", there were International discs and Domestic discs. I did an exact comparison between the sets, and all discs contained the same reels and the files were bit-for-bit duplicates of each other. The only difference I could find was that the international version of the discs didn't have any Trailers in the R14 file (just the standard THX/DTS stuff). The same Serial Number is on both versions of the disc. I'm still trying to track down DTS discs for International version of "Titanic", which SHOULD only have a change on R1 (for the Fox logo instead of Paramount). For a 197 minute film, I suspect there simply wasn't space to put both versions of R1 on the same set of discs. I'm also curious why they couldn't have just put the logo audio on the discs by themselves (like a trailer) and then printed the appropriate timecode on each version of R1.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 08-24-2007 05:34 PM                     I expect that the effort involved to coordinate that was not worth the trouble...schedules, billing, remastering, etc. Frequently (in indy-land) there are spliced in distributor tags with no digital sound at all... Another choice would have been to put, say, the Fox logo at 0-20 seconds, the Paramount logo at 20-40 seconds, and the rest of the feature at 40-bignum seconds. Then the domestic versions could start at 20 seconds in, and the international versions could track an edit from 20 seconds to 40 seconds... Of course, it's one more thing to screw up when printing the reels... --jhawk  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-25-2007 01:42 AM                     So are the prints new or used?  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-26-2007 03:30 AM                        Doubtful that the upgrades will be included in EVERY disc hence forth, right? I mean, a year or even two from now, will new DTS titles still have upgrade software on the discs? So what do guys like us do who are dark for long periods of time and haven't played HARRY POTTER. And mostly play stuff with no DTS so we might not play a DTS title for another year. So here comes a sneak preview down the road -- will it upgrade our unit? Or will it just not play? Seems like DTS should have upgrade discs available for situations like ours. We shouldn't have to rely on playing a specific title or group of titles in a limited time-frame window to keep our system functioning.  |  IP: Logged

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