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Mike B. Smith
Film Handler

Posts: 82
From: Universal City
Registered: Nov 2004

posted 08-26-2007 11:13 AM

Yes Frank you are correct, DTS will not always place updates on every feature, the same updates placed on these feature discs are available thru other sources. Recent changes have been made which makes it very important that the latest updates be installed for proper playback; this is one of the reasons why the decision was made to push them through feature discs to get them in the units as soon as possible. DTS does it’s best to let users know when an update is available, notification of updates may be done by sending a letter directly to the Theater, placing notices with feature discs, or posting on the DTS web site. Although these notifications may not reach everyone there are several ways to find out if your unit is current and several sources available to obtain the update, Contact customer service at DTS and request an update disc for your unit, Check the DTS website for immediate update downloads, and with thanks to Brad, software updates can even be found on this site. DTS does not charge for updates and as a side note any future updates on features will be noted on the disc itself.

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Frank Angel
Film God

Posts: 5305
From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 08-26-2007 09:32 PM

Mike -- found it. And thanks for the heads-up.

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Mark J. Marshall
Film God

Posts: 3188
From: New Castle, DE, USA
Registered: Aug 2002

posted 08-27-2007 08:48 AM

quote: John Hawkinson
Another choice would have been to put, say, the Fox logo at 0-20 seconds, the Paramount logo at 20-40 seconds, and the rest of the feature at 40-bignum seconds. Then the domestic versions could start at 20 seconds in, and the international versions could track an edit from 20 seconds to 40 seconds...

An even better option would have been to have both logos exactly the same frame count, and the sound be silent. Then it wouldn't matter which version of reel 1 you were playing and which version disks you were playing... actually, there wouldn't be a need for two sets of disks at all.

Interestingly enough, on the international version of Titanic the Fox logo is silent. I can't remember if the Paramount logo is silent on the domestic version, but if it is, that really makes the whole two sets of disks thing stupid.

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Mike Blakesley
Film God

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From: Forsyth, Montana
Registered: Jun 99

posted 08-27-2007 11:06 AM

Paramount logo is always silent, isn't it? Unless there's some background sound from the feature behind the logo.

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Blaine Young
Master Film Handler

Posts: 477
From: Kirkland, WA, USA
Registered: Sep 2006

posted 08-28-2007 12:22 PM

Typically, the Paramount logo is silent - unless the audio ties into the feature as mentioned above.

I can only think of a handful of titles where the Fox Logo was silent - "Romancing the Stone" & "The Princess Bride" come to mind - and I am not entirely sure about "Romancing". Even so, the Fox and Paramount logos are different lengths, so direct frame-for-frame replacements may not be possible.

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Chris Slycord
Film God

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From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea
Registered: Mar 2007

posted 08-28-2007 01:43 PM

quote: Blaine Young
Even so, the Fox and Paramount logos are different lengths, so direct frame-for-frame replacements may not be possible.

Pick whichever ones is longer and put that many frames of silent soundtrack on both versions of the print.

So when the shorter one is printed it's silent but then it's followed by some black frames that have silent soundtrack so that the total number of silent frames is the same as with the longer one.

Solved.

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Mark J. Marshall
Film God

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From: New Castle, DE, USA
Registered: Aug 2002

posted 08-28-2007 03:17 PM

They could standardize the lengths on the logos. I would think that would be in the best interest of both studios, and I wouldn't be surprised if they both did that anyway. You'd be surprised how picky studios can be about those types of details.

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Ian Bailey
Master Film Handler

Posts: 317
From: Nambucca Heads, Australia
Registered: Jun 2003

posted 08-30-2007 05:09 AM

John the prints were new.
My XD-10 had the latest software installed so that did not cause the problem with DH4....must be as you guys are saying...2 possible soundtracks.....WHY?
Cheers Ian

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Mark J. Marshall
Film God

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From: New Castle, DE, USA
Registered: Aug 2002

posted 08-30-2007 12:26 PM

Does the serial number change on the XD10 display when the splice goes through?

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Blaine Young
Master Film Handler

Posts: 477
From: Kirkland, WA, USA
Registered: Sep 2006

posted 08-30-2007 11:47 PM

quote: Mark J. Marshall
Interestingly enough, on the international version of Titanic the Fox logo is silent. I can't remember if the Paramount logo is silent on the domestic version, but if it is, that really makes the whole two sets of disks thing stupid.

Just a point of clarification here - The Fox logo on the International prints of Titanic is not silent - At least not on the SR track. I've not played it in SRD or DTS yet so I cannot comment on that.

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Blaine Young
Master Film Handler

Posts: 477
From: Kirkland, WA, USA
Registered: Sep 2006

posted 09-01-2007 11:15 PM

Regarding Titanic Domestic vs International DTS discs:

The Domestic DTS discs are encoded as Reels 1 thru 10. The International discs are encoded as Reels 2 thru 10 and 13 as the 'replacement' Reel 1. Reel 14 (on both versions) the standard bumpers and Reel 15 (on both) is the THX Grand (SN 1004). So the only difference between the 2 DTS sets is Disc A. Reel 1 is replaced with R13 and the "Hard Rain" trailer has been removed from R14.

With some resequencing and using 80min CDs, all 11 reels and R14 & R15 can be placed on 2 CDs, so the same discs can be used with either print.

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Phil Blake
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 558
From: esperance western australia
Registered: Nov 2003

posted 09-03-2007 11:17 PM

It seems my problem was the fact i had a used print from USA with the alternate tile spliced on , as has been mentioned here by others. the discs supplied were not for this print.

It finishes screening tomorrow so the problem is almost solved , very disappointed with this title , It was a good movie but sadly let down by the terrible quality print and this sound issue.

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