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Author Topic: Rake Scratch Chad Smith Film Handler Posts: 13 From: Lafayette, IN, USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 11-27-2007 10:16 PM                     Brad - Pictures of that setup for the additional keeper rollers would be great if you had them, I think I could pry some money out of some cold dead hands to do that modification, haha Monte - Yes, I found white dust there which is actually what peaked my interest for that particular misthread Randy - Yell away, yell away I wish your guys' names carried weight at the theater I work at. Unfortunately I think I'm the only one that cares enough to reach out beyond the company and learn from others What really got me was that nobody noticed it during the projection walkthroughs that they're SUPPOSED to be doing. Sigh.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 11-27-2007 10:49 PM                     Brad, I wasn't disagreeing with you on the whole thing with being annoyed that they didn't put keepers on the rollers; it's annoyed me too. Or the fact that the platter itself is so thin that they have to put in the stupid fins. Also, I fail to see why I have low standards for saying that someone who's extremely good like yourself would do a good job even with crummy equipment. Furthermore, how in the hell does this mean my mind isn't open? Hell, I agree with you that Christie makes the better system. I was just saying you were making a far too general statement; but I'll admit that you have more experience than I so perhaps your statement was "on the money." edit: And to the original topic/problem; in the last little while I've caught myself making the same mistake when threading though I'm shocked that the person didn't catch it while they were threading way before they even considered starting. 2nd edit quote: Chad Smith What really got me was that nobody noticed it during the projection walkthroughs that they're SUPPOSED to be doing. Sigh. A walk-through (or anything else for that matter) is only as good as whoever's doing it.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-27-2007 11:38 PM                     Chris, being in Houston you aren't that far away. Perhaps some time I can try to give you some sort of demo. Chad, will do what I can on getting you a pic.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 11-28-2007 12:18 AM                     OH Pooh! I ran a movie for record 3 months on my Strong A-3 units in my discount house and never scratched the print. And I don't have any keepers on my rollers except for the wrap detector on top and the return roller at the bottom. Rather flimsy excuse saying that these units scratch film when I've proven that they don't to my collages and owners. Called, being careful, proper training and simple preventive maintenance. We have a 1st run 8plex in our small circuit with AP-3 units and they've never experienced scratching problems with the duration of prints that exist in that 8plex. Those platters are loaded with keepers, esp on the "yo-yo" which really bugs me since I have to take time to lace that unit compared to my earlier A-3 units. If we're gonna pick on platter units a bit here, why didn't Christie and some others use roller bearings in their rollers instead of just a simple split or solid roller with a hole bored into it for the axle to go through? Also, if one would notice: when searching for used platters, it's rather interesting that AW2 and AW3 units are more available that any STRONG unit .. and that is if any STRONGs are available. quote: Chris Slycord Or the fact that the platter itself is so thin that they have to put in the stupid fins. ...one of the factors to keep costs down in manufacturing. Granted, easy to remove being light as they are, but easy to bend when some bozo splices on the deck, or puts his fat, sloppy self over the deck to lace up the brain. But, as before, one has to work and make the best of these units. Chad, is your theatre setup as a staff operational type where things are operated on the lean side and multitasking by the staff? If so, then, I can almost see why the absense of the walkthroughs can be present of this one day due to the demand of the staff needed downstairs - being their main priority. Yet, it sounds like it's a normal procedure to have these walkthoroughs, but this time something happened downstairs where this procedure was omitted that day .. or the operator was under pressure to get back downstairs and overlooked his threading procedures...(and for the record, if one laces up a Christie in a haste, they can wang up a print as well if they don't watch those swivel rollers...) -Monte [ 11-28-2007, 02:43 AM: Message edited by: Monte L Fullmer ]  |  IP: Logged Steven Gorsky Expert Film Handler Posts: 146 From: Frederick, MD, USA Registered: Sep 2000 posted 11-28-2007 12:58 AM                        quote: Scott Norwood Stupid question: I've never run "Strong" brand platters, but I have run the 3-deck and 5-deck versions of "Xetron" brand platters, which appear to be more-or-less the same thing. Are these essentialy identical to the current Strong platters, or are they a different beast entirely? They're different - I used Xetron's when I worked for Crown Theatres, and Strong AP-3 platters when I worked for AMC. Below are two pictures for a rough comparison (feel free to remove them if you feel they're unnecessary). The first I took, and the second is slightly smaller version of a picture I grabbed from the gallery of the UA Greenwood Plaza. I noticed in my picture of the Xetron platter it was threaded soundtrack down - that was the rule when I started there, but was later changed when it was discovered the rule conflicted with corporate procedure.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 11-28-2007 02:22 AM                     I used to work at a 4plex with Cine V-5's and Drive-In (SPECO), LP-270 "K-Mart, Bluelight special picnic table" platters were we would wind soundtrack down...and had no problems with that threading procedure - handled film with no problems and no scratching to think of. We ran, in 1990, "Pretty Woman" for 25 weeks and the print left as clean as when it came in on being handled by these LP-270's. Now, that was one great platter to handle. Granted, the platter drive tire contraption was a little odd, but still was acceptable. Only probs with the LP-270's that I experienced, was that diode in the control panel would short across and would blow the unit's glass fuses without notice. Thus,if it works either soundtrack up, or down .. go for it for no one can say differently. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-28-2007 07:32 AM                     Monte, yet again you need to read much more carefully before you go saying "pooh", because you missed the point too.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 11-28-2007 01:38 PM                     Okey, gotcha - Monte  |  IP: Logged Jim Cassedy Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1661 From: San Francisco, CA Registered: Dec 2006 posted 11-29-2007 09:05 AM                     quote: Monte L Fullmer if one misses that lower roller on the DTS reader, film can be scraping against the upper casing of the machine Ouch! I made this mistake once...during a MAJOR private screening. I realized it as soon as I started the reel and something just didn't 'sound right'. No visable scratches could be seen on the screen, but I knew the situation would become worse as the tension on the film being dragged across the top of the projector casing would increase as the reel ran down. With the help of one of the theater staff, I managed to re-thread over the missed roller while the film was running, without having to stop the show. I'm pretty sure the system switched over to the analog sound track for a few seconds while I did this, but fortunately it was during dialogue so it wasn't noticable. Or at least I never heard any complaints from anyone. Beleive me-- If I'd had to stop that particular show I'd be hearing about it to this very day. I'm sure you've all had to do something similar to save a show in progress at some time in your careers. I've never made that mistake again!  |  IP: Logged

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