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Author Topic: Core-only film shipment Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 05-13-2008 05:57 PM                        quote: Scott Norwood Doesn't everyone get a print on cores from time to time? In the 12 years that I've been working in theatres, I have never received a print on just cores. The only time I have ever received anything on just cores is replacement reels and I have never had a problem with them not having holes for the plastic split reels. Granted, my theatre specializes in first run wide releases. I don't think we have ever received a print that was not from Deluxe/ETS or Technicolor.  |  IP: Logged Michael Brown Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1522 From: Bradford, England Registered: May 2001 posted 05-13-2008 06:02 PM                     As other people have just said this is a standard for prints outside the US. I've been in the cinema business (on and off) for about 8 years- EVERY film i've build came like this. UK cinemas have a split reel as standard.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 05-13-2008 07:05 PM                        All Bollywood movies come on cores. They don't believe in reels. They also don't believe in winding their film with any tension at all, so it tries to all fall off the core when you attempt to remove the reel(s) from their individual cans. Another thing they don't believe in is a movie that is 2 hours or less or one without an intermission. However they do heavily endorse wimpy burlap boxes. Get a 6000' split reel, not a 2000' one. It pays to be prepared. Also, Dan, please upload your picture directly to Film-Tech. Do not link to outside pictures. Your link isn't even working!  |  IP: Logged Michael Moore Expert Film Handler Posts: 188 From: Dover, DE / USA Registered: Jun 2006 posted 05-13-2008 08:02 PM                        quote: Joe Redifer Your link isn't even working! worked for me.... quote: Joe Redifer All Bollywood movies come on cores. Every bollywood I have received except maybe one in the past year were shiped on cores and in nasty boxes that fall apart. I have only received maybe a few domestics like this. Split reel is really to only way to go. Mike  |  IP: Logged Bill Enos Film God Posts: 2081 From: Richmond, Virginia, USA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 05-13-2008 08:03 PM                     I get 25-30 prints a year on cores, after getting by using a variety of make-shift junk we bought two split reels. If the print is going to run only 2 or 3 times, run it from 2k reels and on the last run, take it up on split reels and drop it back into the cans--saves rewinding back to the cores and gives a tight wind.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 05-13-2008 09:42 PM                     Dan - upload the pic to this web server or I will remove this thread. Any photos used in the discussion of a problem must be uploaded here to preserve the integrity of the archives for future reference.  |  IP: Logged Benjamin John Doman Film Handler Posts: 35 From: Slough, Berkshire, England Registered: Jun 2007 posted 05-13-2008 10:17 PM                     Indeed, all films in the UK are sent out on cores. We had the opposite problem nearly 20 odd years ago when the circuit booked some Billy Graham films that all turned up on US spools! I have seen Bollywood films turn up with nothing but newspaper suffed in the centers. Oh what fun we had! Ben  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 05-13-2008 10:25 PM                        I consider any country who does not use reels to be an extremely poor third world country. quote: Michael Moore worked for me.... That's nice.  |  IP: Logged Jack Theakston Master Film Handler Posts: 411 From: New York, USA Registered: Sep 2007 posted 05-14-2008 02:52 AM                     I've got to point out that unless you can get a TIGHT wind (that is to say, unless you actually have a real coring adapter), don't bother at all. Please. I've had a number of films pass through my hands in the past few months that were simply a nightmare to deal with because some joker thought he could core a film, and clearly didn't have a tite-wind. For those looking, the best, in my opinion, are the Hollywood Film Co. rewinds. They have GOOD torque and after using it, you can punch your fist at a 6000' core without having it pop out on you.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 05-14-2008 03:06 AM                     You don't need tight-winders. A proper wind can be accomplished in a number of ways. Using a split reel on the rewind bench (assuming your clutch is properly set). Taking up directly off of the projector onto a split reel (assuming you are a changeover theater running on shipping reels). Breaking down from a GOOD platter directly onto a split reel, as in a Christie, SPECO, etc. Not shit platters like Strong that don't have backtension. The loose winds you describe I can almost assure you came from booths equipped with shit platters.  |  IP: Logged Alan Plester Expert Film Handler Posts: 209 From: great yarmouth england Registered: Apr 2001 posted 05-14-2008 11:43 AM                     Im with Michael on this one. In 15 years, never had a film arrive any other way, apart from when the last theatre decided to break down and just throw the centres into the can, and left a hole in the middle no wider than the spigot spindle on the mut.  |  IP: Logged Pete Naples Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1565 From: Dunfermline, Scotland Registered: Feb 2001 posted 05-14-2008 01:22 PM                     Scott, that is indeed standard practice here in the UK.  |  IP: Logged Michael Cunningham Expert Film Handler Posts: 186 From: Anchorage, AK Registered: Nov 1999 posted 05-17-2008 12:22 AM                     I think it really just depends on what you've been exposed to in your fil handling career. I used to see a lot of oddball stuff at second-run and art houses. Now, when opening a new booth, I always request 2 split reels and a pair of flanges (one "innie" and one "outie" core grabbing spindles).  |  IP: Logged System Notices Forum Watchdog / Soup Nazi Posts: 215 Registered: Apr 2004 posted 07-04-2010 07:18 PM                 It has been 778 days since the last post.  |  IP: Logged Ottilie Young Film Handler Posts: 15 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: Feb 2007 posted 07-04-2010 07:18 PM                     Hi: I've searched a bit about tight/even rewind but couldn't really find explicitly detailed instructions on how to do this. We have a Kelmar 7900 rewind bench. We rewind generally at about 35/100 speed onto cores when we receive them, but they're still telescoping. One thing i thought is that we need to tighten the drag on the left spindle to increase the tension. I do find that take-up onto a good shipping reel produces the best wind, but have always been told never to use split reels on the projectors. and only in a certain orientation on the rewind bench. My understanding is that the concern was about the split reel unscrewing. Seeing that Brad says it's okay to use a split reel as take-up gives me confidence that this would be okay to do. But, on a rewind bench, if the split reel is on the left spindle it actually spins counter clock-wise (which I would think would cause it to unscrew if that in fact is a problem). That said, the split reel on the right spindle (i.e the same as the take-up) would be a clockwise turn. So, I have a couple questions: Would tightening the tension on the left spindle on the rewind bench help? How do you know when is too much tension? Or should I use the automatic arm? Is it really safe to take-up cores using split reels? We have a Simplex XL but that really doesn't say anything about the feed/take-up arms. Is it ever a bad idea to take-up onto shipping reels, if they're in good shape? Do split reels indeed unscrew accidentally on a spindle? (other than when a human unscrews them) If they do unscrew, why? We have 2 split reels, both have a longer post, but one has the female end and the other a male end on the longer post. Do they unscrew b/c of the direction of spin (i.e. as I said above, if on the left spindle, rewinding under to over, the left spindle is turning counter clock wise. or do they unscrew b/c of whether the longer post in engaged on the rewind table. Sorry for the long post but I'm trying to be as clear as possible. Thanks for any help! Ottilie Young Equipment Chair Doc Films University of Chicago  |  IP: Logged

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