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Author Topic: Changing Trailers on a Platter John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 04-29-2009 10:06 PM                     Wow...if you have those white stickers at every splice that must look fucking horrible on screen. Surely you can tell where a splice is without making the audience have to see all those white stickers. ...and the huge yellow sticker is for what?  |  IP: Logged Graham Ritchie Film Handler Posts: 54 From: Christchurch, New Zealand Registered: Apr 2009 posted 04-29-2009 10:32 PM                     The white sticker does not show up on the screen as the splice is in the "black" it also helps to see the splice that you want find to place the snake in the right place. The larger round one you refer to is at the start of the trailer and states its name and rating, it does not show up on the screen as its placed also in the black area of the film.  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 04-29-2009 10:58 PM                     Yes they do. Just because you're projecting 'black' film does not mean no light is passing through it. When the sticker goes through that changes though and you will see it. You could (if you really, really need a sticker to tell you where the splice is) make it thin enough to go across the frame line. That way everybody wins...you get your sticker and the audience doesn't have to see it. The huge yellow one could be disposed of altogether. Just write in black marker between the sprocket holes what it is and its censorship. Same result.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 04-29-2009 11:18 PM                     quote: Graham Ritchie The white sticker does not show up on the screen as the splice is in the "black" Wow. John hit the nail on the head with that one! Do you use shoe polish to mark the reel changes as well? I can see where you have a good concept, but those stickers!!! Also your method requires you to plan ahead by standing at the platter the show before the change and putting your foam inside the takeup, which isn't something that people can do every time. Unfortunately you are stuck with a pretty shitty rewind table there, so forgetting about the hideous stickers, there aren't a lot of better ways for you to go about handling trailers in that booth. (It's time for a new rewind table.)  |  IP: Logged Graham Ritchie Film Handler Posts: 54 From: Christchurch, New Zealand Registered: Apr 2009 posted 04-30-2009 01:26 AM                     I do mark a white edging at the splice between the feature reel changes although its applied very carefully only on the edge. Is there a problem using this method? and what do you suggest as an alternative?. Regarding the use of the white sticker, the centre of it is put on the frame line on top of the splice and only used on adds and W/S trailers and as such I dont see how its possible to see it on the screen as the projector "aperture plate" is in its W/S format and would be masking it. The methods that are used were established by the previous projectionists that worked here and as such I followed on with the sticker thing, in particular using it on the trailers, although I was a bit sceptical at the time as the previous head projectionist started to use it, my initial resevations towards its use has changed, so to his credit I feel it has worked out fine. Graham.  |  IP: Logged Richard Hamilton Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1341 From: Evansville, Indiana Registered: Jan 2000 posted 04-30-2009 01:33 AM                     What is W/S Cheers, Rick  |  IP: Logged Graham Ritchie Film Handler Posts: 54 From: Christchurch, New Zealand Registered: Apr 2009 posted 04-30-2009 01:38 AM                     W/S is short for Widescreen 1.85:1 ratio. Graham.  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 04-30-2009 04:52 AM                     Graham, If that white sticker is covered by your aperture plate, then you've got a seriously undercut w/s plate. And that yellow one's got to block off a frame and a half. Just because the guy before you did it, doesn't make it good practice (and it isn't). It looks like ass on screen...you need to see it what, once a week maybe? Meanwhile it's being projected every session. If you've known no other way, it may seem difficult or impossible but try it and you'll see it's very possible and your patrons get a clear projection without darkened spots turning up every time a trailer ends and starts. Regarding W/S as a terminology, I used that for around 25 years in this biz. Then those dreaded VHS WIDESCREEN versions turned up...then the DVD's made it even more widespread in its use. I changed my terminology to FLAT and SCOPE as new guys were coming in and WIDESCREEN to them meant 2.35:1 thanks to the DVD's.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-30-2009 09:58 AM                        ALso Graham mentions that the white sticker covers the soundtrack area, so unless he is running DTS or SDDS, there is probably a noticable "thump" in the sound when that goes by. I don't see the need for stickers either. What I do is, when I'm adding new trailers I make a label for each one out of tape, with one end folded over making a "tab." I write the trailer title and version # and format on the tape. As I build the trailer reel, I stick the tape labels, in order, in a designated spot. That way not only are the labels handy for later, it gives me a "list" of what trailers are playing and in what order. When working the trailer reel, I just use the tried and true method of looking for the "green tag" which is easily visible when winding the reel. (In situations where there are no green tags, it should be easy enough to spot the title card near the end of the trailer to verify which title you're working with.) I refer to my "list" of tape labels to know what trailer I'm winding.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 04-30-2009 12:42 PM                     Look, leave him alone: it's his booth. He came on to share his verions of trailer changing, not to be hammered by his film handling procedures that he was shown making it not his fault. We've all seen worse, so give him a break as a new member. Maybe someone can point him to the "Tips" section and that way it can be explained to him how the lot of us handle film.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 04-30-2009 02:22 PM                     A simpler idea than the yellow sticker saying the movie name/rating is to simply have a spreadsheet printout next to each auditorium and when you move the print you move the printout with it. Then when you make a trailer change, you write in the change and then update the computer copy later.  |  IP: Logged Ian Parfrey Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1049 From: Imbil Australia 26 deg 27' 42.66" S 152 deg 42' 23.40" E Registered: Feb 2009 posted 04-30-2009 04:42 PM                     John may be able to correct me if I'm wrong on this, but the "W/S" Widescreen term was used here in Aus to differentiate that format from 1:33 and 1:66 in the 50's. Its always puzzled me too but makes sense when seen in this light. Cheers Ian  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 04-30-2009 05:20 PM                     quote: Monte L Fullmer Look, leave him alone: it's his booth. He came on to share his verions of trailer changing, not to be hammered by his film handling procedures that he was shown making it not his fault. Who's hammering him? Geez Monte. I'm simply pointing out that what he believes is not happening... quote: Graham Ritchie it does not show up on the screen as its placed also in the black area of the film. ...as you fully know, actually is. I appreciate his reasons for using his 'snake' method and truly appreciate also the time he took to take the photos and post them here. But am I also supposed to ignore the shot of the print littered with huge stickers? No-one is telling Graham what to do. As if...but pointing out that just because he was taught a certain way does not mean that there may not be better ways to do the same job is surely an option should one of us see things differently. It IS a forum, after all. We talk. It's really not necessary for you to come in and accuse us of bullying the guy. I'm quite sure he's able to see it for what it is...advice. He can take it or not. It doesn't worry me a bit. Ian, Your theory makes perfect sense. By the time I started in 1977 we were only running W/S and SCOPE. There are still many booths around the place that refer to it this way. I stopped when DVD's use became the norm to refer to both 1.85 and 2.35 transfers. Now it's just FLAT and SCOPE for us.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 05-01-2009 01:15 AM                     Sorry John, Just got a little defensive. No offense, of course to all .. - thx, Monte [ 05-01-2009, 04:32 AM: Message edited by: Monte L Fullmer ]  |  IP: Logged Stu Jamieson Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 524 From: Buccan, Qld, Australia Registered: Jan 2008 posted 05-05-2009 06:07 AM                     @Graham from NZ: What does "The Snake" do, mate?  |  IP: Logged

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