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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!
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From: Annapolis, MD
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posted 03-25-2009 09:28 PM
Joe, it all depends on the situation. If Honda only had a market of say 5000 people for their car, then there is no way they could make it for $38,000 (nor could anyone else).
Ask anyone that has had to go through UL (or ETL) listing what it costs just for that...now spread that out over your potential sales. Ever priced out steel? It isn't cheap stuff, let alone bent up and painted steel.
Unfortunately, slave labor, no overhead (environmental or otherwise) and high volume has skewed your belief in what things are really worth.
I have no idea if Kelmar is going out of business but I highly doubt they have ever been living wealthy. They make good products for fair prices. And yes, when the market is small, you are going to pay that much more for it. That is true in any industry. But hey, you think it doesn't cost that much to make it...open Joe's rewinder's see if you can live off of you rewinders were everything is under a grand. BTW...the LIST price for a single motor table top is $318.00...so change out your sagging table if it pisses you off so...or make your own. So, what is the cost/year on a rewinder? $100/year? Big deal.
Steve
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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!
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From: Annapolis, MD
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posted 03-26-2009 08:13 AM
Joe, your nail example is why nobody really cares about the price of nails except contractors that buy them by the ton. They are effectively free from a owner's standpoint.
Most theatres do pay a bank and the cost of things, like rewinders are factored into that payment. Everything in a business should figure in its return on the investment. Some things are easy, some things are hard (say painting the walls in an office...how much more money does that generate).
I'm not angry at all with you but I do see an unrealistic skewing of perception when one thinks in terms of what China can do en mass versus what one has to do for a tiny market like cinema. When you are making very few things, the cost of each has to be higher to pay for not only the materials and the people to make it, but all of the design work that went into it, the overhead (shop, certifications...etc) and such.
BTW...Kelmar is by far not the most expensive rewinder out there nor are most of their products...they are typically in the middle of the road, price wise, with some a bit more, some a bit less. The fact that you noted that nobody seemed to be able to make a rewinder for under a grand should tell you that perhaps there is more to it in the big picture. Perhaps a Wolk rewinder with the washing machine motor hanging off a table you supply could be made that cheap...however, from a liability standpoint...the exposed belt plus the knob that will tear up your chest if you come near it while on would scare most companies away (as it should).
Steve
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