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Tony Bandiera Jr
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One of the best ways I've found to fix the problem is don't try to dim f-lamps. They suck at it. [Big Grin]

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Louis Bornwasser
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Tony: Agreed, but the "Greenies" are mandating this "change." Louis

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Demetris Thoupis
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It depends not only on the actual ballast but also on the actual fluorescent. Italian ballasts and fluorescents prove to be very good here in Cyprus. Using Lutron controls we dim them very low.

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Steve Guttag
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I haven't found the greenies to be bothering with such stuff in theatrical...they are mostly targeting household lamps of typical and higher wattage.

Afterall...in theatres, the normal lamps are almost never at full brightness and often are off or barely glowing.

Steve

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Louis Bornwasser
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Steve: the theatre owners are being told by their architects that "normal" bulbs are not going to be allowed to be sold much longer so that the "switch" to fluorescent will be a mandate in 3-5 years. (Does any of this sound familiar???) Louis

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Brad Miller
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Architects are also telling the theater owners that if they don't use flourescents that their electric bill will run them out of business.

Personally I am fine with it for lobby applications, but not for auditoriums. This dimmer is for various zones of lobby use.

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Monte L Fullmer
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I thought that LED lighting was eventually coming in to take over flourscent lighting....

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Steve Guttag
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LEDs definitely have some promise as they are certainly dimmable, don't have the Mercury issue and are often less power consuming.

None of the people we service have been issued the florescent threats, that I'm aware of. In fact one just renovated and the dimming lamps...all halogen or incandescent. Like Brad...in the non-auditorium areas where the lamps are set to specific levels...there is no need for standard lamps...why pay for them and pay to keep replacing them. But in the theatre...there is no electric issue really...the cost/year is barely measurable. Most of the time, the lamps are off or barely on...the rest of the operating hours they are normally at some percentage and again not at full-on.

The only movement on legislation I've seen are on typical household lamps in the upper wattage (above 40-watts, IIRC).

Steve

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Jack Theakston
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The best tube lighting that I ever saw that could dim was not fluorescent, but GE's Lumiline, which is actually incandescent. Of course, it's expensive as anything, I'm not sure if they make the bulbs anymore and I'm sure it gets hot, too.

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Jeff Taylor
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I haven't seen lumilines in years, but what happened to cold cathold fluorescent--that's easily dimmable.

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Paul Trimboli
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Fluros put out the most awful light, I know I would not be wanting to install them into a cinema! [puke] They are talking about a similar incandescent ban here in Australia, what stupid idea! Maybe once LED technology has matured a little more (its almost there in most domestic applications but the prices need to drop a little bit more- but they do work out cheaper over the length of the lamp) but they are saying to install CFL lamps which are worse for the environment because of the pollution involved in their manufacture and then not to mention their disposal!

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Cameron Glendinning
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The cinema chain I work for new complex features computer color programmed led lighting in all auditoriums and gray drapes.

No more light bulb changing! Cinemas can color change as part of the presentation.

This complex also feature balconies in all 8 cinemas.

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Rick Hunter
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quote: Paul Trimboli
They are talking about a similar incandescent ban here in Australia, what stupid idea
Paul it is here....

http://www.projectlink.com.au/directory/osram-australia/News/3406.html

Australia update on the incandescent lamp ban - Shedding light on climate change


Provided By : OSRAM AUSTRALIA

Australia is leading the global charge to phase out the incandescent light bulb

Australia is set to become the first country to ban the incandescent light bulb.

Celebrating World Environment Day, Environment Minister Peter Garrett today announced incandescent light bulb ban will come into effect in November this year, retailers will have just one year to sell current stock before the complete ban in November 2009, restricts the sale of incandescent light bulbs.

Last month Canada became the second nation to set a date for the ban agreeing to phase out incandescent light bulbs completely by 2012. Similar announcements are expected by other nations after a week-long conference in Shanghai three weeks ago attracted international delegates to address the need for the global phase-out of inefficient lighting.

As incandescent light bulbs are not produced in Australia; retailers and ultimately consumers will soon be forced to look for greener alternatives such as the new OSRAM Halogen Energy Saver Range which was released earlier this year.

The new OSRAM Halogen Energy Saver Range uses on average 30 per cent less energy than the regular incandescent light bulbs and unlike current fluorescent light alternatives on the market, is truly a direct replacement for the incandescent light bulb. They have the same shape and are the same size as the regular light bulbs. It is the only range of its kind currently available world-wide.

Dr. Walter Wendel, Managing Director for OSRAM in Australia said "This change to energy efficient lighting is a major benefit to Australia and will have an instant benefit for reducing CO2 emissions and saving on energy costs"."OSRAM invests heavily in the research and development of energy efficient and environmentally friendly lighting options. We are proud to be the first company internationally to launch the halogen technology available in our new Energy Saver Range to give consumers and retailers a direct replacement for the inefficient incandescent light bulb," he said.

The Halogen Energy Saver lasts on average twice as long as the incandescent light bulb and unlike the compact fluorescent light bulb can be used effectively with all dimmers and gives off a light that is the same in colour to that of the incandescent light bulb. Produced with recyclable materials, the Halogen Energy Saver range is available in the classic bulb, candle, reflector and other shapes.

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Jack Theakston
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You guys will be happy to know that meanwhile, there's someone trying to make incandescent more efficient:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/business/energy-environment/06bulbs.html

quote:
Incandescent Bulbs Return to the Cutting Edge
By LEORA BROYDO VESTEL

SANTA ROSA, Calif. — When Congress passed a new energy law two years ago, obituaries were written for the incandescent light bulb. The law set tough efficiency standards, due to take effect in 2012, that no traditional incandescent bulb on the market could meet, and a century-old technology that helped create the modern world seemed to be doomed.

But as it turns out, the obituaries were premature.

Researchers across the country have been racing to breathe new life into Thomas Edison’s light bulb, a pursuit that accelerated with the new legislation. Amid that footrace, one company is already marketing limited quantities of incandescent bulbs that meet the 2012 standard, and researchers are promising a wave of innovative products in the next few years.

Indeed, the incandescent bulb is turning into a case study of the way government mandates can spur innovation.

“There’s a massive misperception that incandescents are going away quickly,” said Chris Calwell, a researcher with Ecos Consulting who studies the bulb market. “There have been more incandescent innovations in the last three years than in the last two decades.”

The first bulbs to emerge from this push, Philips Lighting’s Halogena Energy Savers, are expensive compared with older incandescents. They sell for $5 apiece and more, compared with as little as 25 cents for standard bulbs.

But they are also 30 percent more efficient than older bulbs. Philips says that a 70-watt Halogena Energy Saver gives off the same amount of light as a traditional 100-watt bulb and lasts about three times as long, eventually paying for itself.

The line, for now sold exclusively at Home Depot and on Amazon.com, is not as efficient as compact fluorescent light bulbs, which can use 75 percent less energy than old-style bulbs. But the Energy Saver line is finding favor with consumers who dislike the light from fluorescent bulbs or are bothered by such factors as their slow start-up time and mercury content.

“We’re experiencing double-digit growth and we’re continuing to expand our assortment,” said Jorge Fernandez, the executive who decides what bulbs to stock at Home Depot. “Most of the people that buy that bulb have either bought a C.F.L. and didn’t like it, or have identified an area that C.F.L.’s don’t work in.”

For lighting researchers involved in trying to save the incandescent bulb, the goal is to come up with one that matches the energy savings of fluorescent bulbs while keeping the qualities that many consumers seem to like in incandescents, like the color of the light and the ease of using them with dimmers.

“Due to the 2007 federal energy bill that phases out inefficient incandescent light bulbs beginning in 2012, we are finally seeing a race” to develop more efficient ones, said Noah Horowitz, senior scientist with the Natural Resources Defense Council.

Some of the leading work is under way at a company called Deposition Sciences here in Santa Rosa. Its technology is a key component of the new Philips bulb line.

Normally, only a small portion of the energy used by an incandescent bulb is converted into light, while the rest is emitted as heat. Deposition Sciences applies special reflective coatings to gas-filled capsules that surround the bulb’s filament. The coatings act as a sort of heat mirror that bounces heat back to the filament, where it is transformed to light.

While the first commercial product achieves only a 30 percent efficiency gain, the company says it has achieved 50 percent in the laboratory. No lighting manufacturer has agreed yet to bring the latest technology to market, but Deposition Sciences hopes to persuade one.

“We built a better mouse trap,” said Bob Gray, coating program manager at Deposition Sciences. “Now, we’re trying to get people to beat a path to our door.”

With the new efficiency standards, experts predict more companies will develop specialized reflective coatings for incandescents. The big three lighting companies — General Electric, Osram Sylvania and Philips — are all working on the technology, as is Auer Lighting of Germany and Toshiba of Japan.

And a wave of innovation appears to be coming. David Cunningham, an inventor in Los Angeles with a track record of putting lighting innovations on the market, has used more than $5 million of his own money to develop a reflective coating and fixture design that he believes could make incandescents 100 percent more efficient.

“There’s enormous interest,” Mr. Cunningham said. “All the major lighting companies want an exclusive as soon as we demonstrate feasibility.”

Both Mr. Cunningham and Deposition Sciences have been looking into the work of Chunlei Guo, an associate professor of optics at the University of Rochester, who announced in May that he had used lasers to pit the surface of a tungsten filament. “Our measurements show that the treated filament becomes twice as bright with the same power consumption,” Mr. Guo said.

And a physics professor at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Shawn-Yu Lin, is also seeing improved incandescent performance by using a high-tech, iridium-coated filament that recycles wasted heat. “The technology can get up to six to seven times more efficient,” Mr. Lin said.

Despite a decade of campaigns by the government and utilities to persuade people to switch to energy-saving compact fluorescents, incandescent bulbs still occupy an estimated 90 percent of household sockets in the United States. Aside from the aesthetic and practical objections to fluorescents, old-style incandescents have the advantage of being remarkably cheap.

But the cheapest such bulbs are likely to disappear from store shelves between 2012 and 2014, driven off the market by the government’s new standard. Compact fluorescents, which can cost as little as $1 apiece, may become the bargain option, with consumers having to spend two or three times as much to get the latest energy-efficient incandescents.

A third technology, bulbs using light-emitting diodes, promises remarkable gains in efficiency but is still expensive. Prices can exceed $100 for a single LED bulb, and results from a government testing program indicate such bulbs still have performance problems.

That suggests that LEDs — though widely used in specialized applications like electronic products and, increasingly, street lights — may not displace incumbent technologies in the home any time soon.

Given how costly the new bulbs are, big lighting companies are moving gradually. Osram will introduce a new line of incandescents in September that are 25 percent more efficient. The bulbs will feature a redesigned capsule with higher-quality gas inside and will sell for a starting price of about $3. That is less than the Philips product already on the market, but they will have shorter life spans. G.E. also plans to introduce a line of household incandescents that will comply with the new standards.

Mr. Calwell predicts “a lot more flavors” of incandescent bulbs coming out in the future. “It’s hard to be an industry leader in the crowded C.F.L field,” he said. “But a company could truly differentiate itself with a better incandescent.”

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: July 8, 2009
An article on Monday about energy-efficiency innovations in incandescent light bulbs misstated the name of the university with which Chunlei Guo, an associate professor of optics who is using laser technology to increase bulb efficiency, is affiliated. It is the University of Rochester, not Rochester University.


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Damien Taylor
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It sucks Paul, I've turned to eBay to buy more incandescant light globes!

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