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Author Topic: Rewind table with no speed control Celine Negrete Film Handler Posts: 70 From: Nevada City, CA Registered: Nov 2009 posted 12-22-2009 02:51 PM                        Demitris, no room for a platter...our booth is 7 feet by 10 feet. That is why we have an intermission. To rethread the projector with the 2nd 2k reel. Stephen, that is probably what we will do...make them onto 2 6k reels on the bench first. Thanks! So, I am hoping that this will be a good 'move' for us? Moving to the spool tower instead of using 2 6k reels with an intermission??  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 12-22-2009 03:34 PM                     Celine, It will give you the ability to run about two and a half hours of film without a break. With polyester film, and by running a bit over the edges of the spool you might stretch that to almost three hours, but any longer and you'll still need an intermission. If you've got more than two prints made up at the same time time then it's somewhat easier to swap them over single-handed without extra devices than it is with a platter, though if the spools are full they'll be heavy, so you may need to get help anyway. You haven't lost any facility that you have at present, you can still run a film that way if you need to, e.g. if a print arrives late you can still run the first half while you are making up the second, or break down the first half while the second is running if you need to get it out quickly after the show. I still think that by far the quickest and easiest way to run film is as it comes on 2k reels with changeovers, especially if you're running a lot of different films, and shoeing each only once, or a few times, but if you've only got one machine then you don't have that option. Running any long-run system, either 6k reels or towers, I've never run platters, that way always felt more like hard work to me than running 2k reels. You need to take care when starting a tower to prevent the film snatching, I suspect that the Kinoton tower may be better than some of the older ones, but I've never used one. You should really use spools with slipping centres to isolate the mass of the large flanges from the core and the film.  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 12-22-2009 04:08 PM                     The kinoton uses the arm somewhat like a variac to adjust speed of takeup reel. Rewind is also done directly on the spool tower. Kinoton is pretty spot on on the factory alingment so I doubt you will need any adjustments and doubt you will have any film snapping problems as they handle film very kindly. One thing to consider perhaps would be adding some extra rollers so the tower could accomodate both projectors. One the other hand though, you could try to sell your second projector and still go with a platter solution! Demetris  |  IP: Logged Celine Negrete Film Handler Posts: 70 From: Nevada City, CA Registered: Nov 2009 posted 12-22-2009 04:17 PM                        Demetris, We don't have a 2nd projector. We are not a change-over house. We have one projector and use two 6k reels, hence the intermission. There is no room for either a 2nd projector or platters. ;-) Good to hear the Kinotron sounds pretty reliable!  |  IP: Logged Pete Naples Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1565 From: Dunfermline, Scotland Registered: Feb 2001 posted 12-22-2009 04:27 PM                     The Kinoton sidewinder is a reliable piece of kit, and remarkably gentle on the film. I don't care much for the Cinemecannica DGB towers, you can't control the rewind speed not adjust the tensions. (Note: the Kinoton tower is self adjusting in terms of tension). I've also been experiencing difficulties obtaining parts for the older Cinemcannica towers. AFAIK the Westrex 5035 tower was never sold in the US, nor was there anything like it there. It's a much maligned piece of kit, perfectly capable of running features for weeks without damage (contrary to what many people will tell you), it's all down to the operator. Proyecson in Spain also make a very similar tower to the Kinoton Depending on what your projector is you might even be able to mount it and the lamphouse on a Proyecson tower/pedestal unit.  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 12-22-2009 04:36 PM                     I agree with Pete Proyecson sidewinder bench Here you can find the Proyecson sidewinder if space is so much of an issue. You could also have an auxiliary top arm which most probably you already have. This sidewinder bench will mount most of the US projectors. Perhaps you can also look at this option which sounds better at the end of the day. Pete I think Cinemeccanica does not make the DGB tower anymore although I could be mistaken. Sorry I did not see that you were not running a changeover booth. My apologies Demetris  |  IP: Logged Celine Negrete Film Handler Posts: 70 From: Nevada City, CA Registered: Nov 2009 posted 12-22-2009 04:43 PM                        The main reason why we would consider going with the Kinotron is because we have the ability to get a slightly used one from a theatre that recently closed for a good price. We would not buy a new right now. We would just stay with the intermission as we have had it that way for over 10 years now if it was not for this opportunity to make the change at a reasonable cost.  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 12-22-2009 04:51 PM                     Celine don't forget spools in the offer. What is your projector model? Demetris  |  IP: Logged Celine Negrete Film Handler Posts: 70 From: Nevada City, CA Registered: Nov 2009 posted 12-22-2009 05:08 PM                        We have a Simplex E7. It is really difficult to take a picture of the whole booth because of the size. I can't get back far enough to get it all in one shot. Thanks for the reminder about the reels!  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 12-22-2009 07:57 PM                       Ya have a good lamphouse there, Celine! Can't beat that Super Lumex.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-22-2009 11:57 PM                     As long as it is running the E7 is a rock stable image  |  IP: Logged Sean Weitzel Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 619 From: Vacaville, CA (1790 miles west of Rockwall) Registered: Dec 1999 posted 12-23-2009 12:51 AM                     I actually think an intermission adds a charm to the presentation. If it's worked for 10 years why change? Your audience expects it. If anything, acquiring a reel tower would allow you the freedom to choose whether you have an intermission or not. At the very least you could continue to program an intermission with the reel tower and it would give you an extra 5 minutes to sell popcorn since you wouldn't have to re-thread. You would just be putting the program "on pause" FWIW the E7 is an awesome projector. I had a pair installed at a house I rented with friends back in the 90's mated with Peerless Magnarcs. I rescued them from a lab in San Francisco that made policy trailers - Motion Picture Services on Golden Gate ave. They were my first full size projector. Wow what a picture that combination put out. We had many a backyard BBQ party with those rigs. I had to sell them when I moved. I miss them.  |  IP: Logged Celine Negrete Film Handler Posts: 70 From: Nevada City, CA Registered: Nov 2009 posted 12-23-2009 02:41 AM                        Hey Sean, that is a great picture! And, I agree about the E7...it seems very 'solid'. Also agree about the intermission. It is 'expected'... and part of what makes us different in a quirky way. But, it would be nice for it to be a choice vs. a requirement. We also have the option of replacing the Simplex E7 with a Simplex PR1014...I have no real clue as to whether or not that would be a good idea (though, I imagine I should start a new thread about that)?  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 12-23-2009 03:41 AM                     Celine, Something that a lot of us put in order is the following: If it ain't broken, don't fix it! If you are happy with the results of your current equipment, just keep a regular maintenance and be happy with it. I too agree that an intermission ads a certain charm so perhaps your best solution would be what Brad suggested about using the slide projector you already have. Demetris  |  IP: Logged Paul Gordon Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 580 From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2005 posted 12-23-2009 08:44 AM                        There's a small multi-use venue (Club SAW, part of SAW Gallery) in Ottawa that has a 60 seat theatre and runs 35mm with an Intermission. Intermssions really help in selling beer! I would stick with them. The projector is a Super Simplex, with a intergrated ORC lamphouse 750 watt. Here's a homemade tower which uses kelmar arms.  |  IP: Logged

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