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Author Topic: what projector is this Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 12-30-2009 11:45 AM                     The Cutest 35mm portable was the Kinoton FP23T. They even had a mating dubber for it. It was around in the mid '90s. Historically, they had the FP23 (no suffix) that was on a tripod like thingy  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 12-30-2009 11:47 AM                     EDIT: Steve beat me to it. Stephen the following is for your post. Steven yes you are correct. Is the 23T and not 25 or 28P as I said above. I will post a pic when I get in the office after new year. Stephen, Yes it was the PortaCine. The portacine was done by Cinemeccanica and rebranded by Fumeo for a while. It was the V12 projector before it became V12. Only in production for 5 years though. 500Xenon and 1000WHalogen was available. Here are some pictures of the Portacine. Stephen was the Russian portable you used this one? CARL ZEISS TK35  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 12-30-2009 12:12 PM                     I'm not sure; it was a long time ago, early '70s I think. It had 2k spoolboxes rather than 6k arms, but it was a box type thing like that, and I think it did have the lamp on the side with the mirror, like this one seems to have. I also seem to remember there being a carbon arc lamphouse available which bolted on the side, though the one I ran didn't have this; it was heavy enough without it, I remember carrying the thing up many flight of stairs. I've just noticed the two handles, front and back, which also seems familiar, but your one says CARL ZEISS. Were they made for Carl Zeiss in Russia, or did the Russians make a copy of it or something? I'd also forgotten the rather nice little Chinese made one which was being sold a few years ago, with halogen or xenon lamp. Somebody has used one at the BFCC (British Film Collector's Convention) in Ealing, and I think one of our members here had a pair of them that he was doing portable shows with. Very small, not much bigger than a 16mm machine, and reasonably light. Only 2k spools though, but probably adaptable  |  IP: Logged Damien Taylor Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2007 posted 12-30-2009 06:48 PM                     OK you guys are still talking about portables so I guess I'm not derailing anymore Here is my FP3 in 2K/tripod config And here it is with the Cast base and 6K reels. This is someone else's picture but they have the same vintage unit.  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 01-08-2010 03:03 PM                     quote: Stephen Furley Wasn't there a Cinemeccanica/Fumeo one, made by one and branded by the other I think Here is the Cinemeccanica rebranded as Fumeo. Demetris  |  IP: Logged Mitchell Dvoskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1869 From: West Milford, NJ, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 01-08-2010 04:07 PM                     And then there was the Marin MP-30 from Spain, which was widely imported into the USA.  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 01-08-2010 04:27 PM                     That was the other one that I couldn't remember the name of Mitchell.  |  IP: Logged Christian Appelt Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 505 From: Frankfurt, Germany Registered: Dec 2001 posted 01-08-2010 04:30 PM                     quote: Stephen Furley I've just noticed the two handles, front and back, which also seems familiar, but your one says CARL ZEISS. Were they made for Carl Zeiss in Russia, or did the Russians make a copy of it or something? There were two Zeiss brands after WW2, Zeiss Jena (East Germany) and Carl Zeiss of West Germany. The TK35 portable was introduced around 1948. In East Germany, mobile units with double TK35 changeover setups brought the movies to small towns which had no regular cinema. There is a Russian clone called the KN19 (there are more models, but I've never seen them) with small alterations. In the 1990s, a company from India had a 99% TK35 lookalike, they proudly told me they had developed it just some time ago... Film collectors have done any modification you could imagine on TK35s, from 6000-ft.-spools to red light conversions and of course new lamp systems using quartz or xenon bulbs. It is the smallest professional 35mm machine I know, and if handled well, it is gentle enough on film as long as you don't depend on the framing mechanism (just an idle roller below the intermittent). In East Germany, the state film distributor gave a bonus payment to travellings projectionists who could handle more than 2 million meters of film without breakage or torn sprockets, and they did it using TK35s. In West Germany, Bauer's Sonolux portable machines (using a solid B5A projector head, but weighing three times more than a TK35) were used for mobile operation. Here are some nice pictures of the original TK35 setup, complete with tripods and sound equipment: TK35 setup  |  IP: Logged

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