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Author Topic: Worst 70mm Presentation EVER of IAMMMMMW Michael Coate Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1904 From: Los Angeles, California Registered: Feb 2001 posted 03-06-2013 10:15 AM                     quote: Tony Bandiera Jr Your scan is suspiciously cut and pasted to align the 70 notations to suit your needs Tony... Are you actually accusing me of fabricating the TRON advertisement??? Dude, that might just be the funniest thing I've ever heard! Your position now reeks of desperation, and I'm reminded of something a friend said recently about arguing with members of the Flat Earth Society.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-06-2013 10:28 AM                     One thing I'd like to know is if Will Kutler and/or Tony Bandiera visited the projection booth at the El Con 6, particularly during this period where the El Con 6 was advertised as playing movies in 70mm. I could understand one inaccurate advertisement of a theater claiming it was showing something in 70mm. But multiple times? I don't know how they could get away with that unless various others involved, including the theater's competition, were incompetent. I know if I was running a movie theater and a rival was claiming to be showing a movie in a special, coveted format when that wasn't the case I damned sure wouldn't let it slide. I'd report that falsehood to the newspaper, the movie distributor, maybe even Dolby or anyone else involved with the 70mm issue. I lived in New York City for 5 years, from 1986-1991. During that period lots of theaters in the NYC metro area had 1 or more screens equipped with 70mm. Many of these theaters rarely, if ever, got to show anything in 70mm. Most of the time any 70mm prints stayed in Manhattan. If any of the "suburb" theaters got 70mm prints it was usually the same few theaters. I'd see an ad from a company like Cineplex Odeon about a theater opening in Brooklyn or somewhere in New Jersey. 70mm would be one of the features listed. But then as the movies with 70mm prints came out many of these 70mm capable theaters would be left out. If I counted 70mm equipped screens based only on theaters that were advertised as getting prints of generous 70mm releases like Hoffa or Dick Tracy I'd defintely miss a few. Even with theaters in Manhattan, I couldn't tell anyone for sure just how many 70mm equipped screens were in a multiplex like the Loew's 84th Street Six. I remember some theaters opening, like the 9-plex Cineplex Odeon opened on 23rd Street to replace the old Chelsea Cinemas theater (which is now the School of Visual Arts Theater). I remember the ads for that new 9-plex boasting 70mm capability, but I'm not sure it ever got to play anything in 70mm. Havana maybe? Then one has to factor in how booth equipment may get installed or removed and moved to a different theater. I know this has happened during the 1990s with digital sound equipment. Our local Carmike 8 originally opened in 1994 with 2 theaters equipped with DTS-6 machines (in two no longer THX certified screens). Five DTS-6D machines and one other DTS-6 unit were added to the remaining analog-only houses (along with sound system upgrades). Those DTS machines came from other theaters. I wonder how much record keeping went on to record those changes. I'm thinking not much. The Carmike 8 rarely got any separate DTS trailer discs despite having five DTS-6D machines. In the end, actually seeing what gear is in the booth is probably the best proof. quote: Manny Knowles Next topic: Bobby's balls. quote: Sam D. Chavez At least now we are on to something funny, or so I'm told. I'm black from the waist down.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-06-2013 11:05 AM                      |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 03-06-2013 12:24 PM                     Guys, what's up with the drama. Really? I find myself skimming when this comes up so I haven't sat and read these long bickering posts, but the one thing Mike is not going to do is photoshop an ad. There is some sort of personality mismatch here, but Mike is incredibly anal when it comes to tracking down the proper information on things, and as Sean stated, I would agree trusting a 70mm newspaper ad vs. something from the 90s vs. some random person's memory of watching a movie in a particular auditorium...the newspaper ad is logically going to be the most accurate. There, we have now gone from balls to anal. Happy Manny?  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-06-2013 01:06 PM                     I just want to send out a big "thank you" to everyone, for taking the time to think of "li'l ole me" in the midst of all of this.  |  IP: Logged Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 03-06-2013 01:25 PM                     Brad, Mike fired the opening salvo in this discussion with his smart-ass comment and I am not going to sit idly by and let him get away with it. I just pointed out the obvious flaws with his post of the scan.....whether he did it, or he got a bad file from his contact at Dolby doesn't matter. It puts his position in a bad light. Someone so anal about facts as you pointed out would have NEVER posted such a sloppy representation of the data he is using to back his position. It seriously undermines his credibility. For example, if you were to present such a sloppily formatted quotation to a client for an install, what impression do you think they will have of your integrity? As for the veracity of his claim, I like Manny's quote: quote: ..In all seriousness, regarding the "research" versus "I was there," I'm reminded of Gene Kranz's quote regarding Neil Armstrong's decision to override the Lunar Lander's autopilot: "Neil had the one thing we didn't have, and that was the view out the window." Or more accurately in this case, the view into the booth. And another thing: Anyone on this board would not have to enter a booth to tell if a film was presented in 35mm vs. 70mm. The splice at the first reel change will give confirmation of what format is in use. Michael: I never accused you of fabricating the NEWSPAPER ads. You expect us to believe the validity of your data, yet you can't even get your facts straight in your disagreement with me. I have nothing personal against you, whether you choose to believe it or not. But a little humility would be in order and maybe conceding you might be in error. Bobby: The reason I disagree with the accuracy of a lot of the newspaper ads even back then is because most of those ads for the major chains here were usually prepped by someone at a desk in the corporate office. They had NO CLUE what equipment each theatre had, often relying on the word of the manager (who was also clueless most of the time). I back this up with the FACT that I serviced many of the chain's theatres back in my days with RCA Service and KNEW which booths had 70mm and which ones didn't. And there were many of MY theatres that advertised 70mm when I knew they did not. As for the idea of someone reporting false format advertising, are you serious? 90% plus of the patrons and most likely the same number of rival theatre owners were/are clueless about the presence of 70mm equipment. Only a tech or projectionist would even be able to tell or care if 70mm was being run or not. Customers always have been clueless about technical aspects of projection. Look at how long people thought we ran DVD's and could pause or skip back to the part they missed.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 03-06-2013 02:30 PM                     Don't make me send the two of you to your rooms. This thread is going nowhere. CLOSED  |  IP: Logged

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