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Steve Guttag
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I would argue that the handcranking is inherently more uneven, with respect to torque/wind tension than a motorized version...especially if you had a fancy rewinder with electronic back-tension that was constantly maintained.

Did he advocate handcranking the projector too? If not, why?

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Jock Blakley
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We showed THE MASTER in 70mm eleven times for a week-long season in December in change-over, although we were able to build the print up to four reels for the premiere in October and leave it built-up after that.

Luckily we've been able to keep the print for future screenings, so we've one coming up on the 16th.

On the other hand, when we first ran Branagh's HAMLET in 1996 or 1997, I'm told we weren't able to build the print up. Twenty reels in change-over was the only choice.

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Marcel Birgelen
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quote: Steve Guttag
Did he advocate handcranking the projector too? If not, why?
It's just 144 minutes [Wink] . I guess you would not just give yourself a workout with that, but your DTS system too...

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Steve Guttag
I would argue that the handcranking is inherently more uneven, with respect to torque/wind tension than a motorized version...especially if you had a fancy rewinder with electronic back-tension that was constantly maintained.
Agreed, and I would have agreed at the time. But the individual in question was in his sixties, had been the chief at that theatre forever and was not someone to be argued with - especially by an 18 year-old new hire, which I was at the time. He was also in the advanced stages of drinking himself to death, which was why I ended running that high profile show (this was an independent in the London suburbs which got the Gandhi preview because one of the actors who played a minor part was a relative of the theatre's owner) single-handed. He simply didn't show up for work on the day of the screening, having been taken into hospital the previous evening.

It wasn't my job to ask why he refused to have motorised rewind heads in his booth, and so I didn't. If I had to guess, the only rational explanation I can think of is that perhaps the early ones weren't sophisticated and able to apply cleverly self-adjusting back tension, and tended to be unpredictable. But by the time I knew this guy, his days of thinking rationally were long behind him.

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Jason Metcalfe
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It was a cool experience but it was enough of a pain as it was, if we had had to hand rewind I don't know what I would have done.

We pretty much ran this as our first run movie while it was here, 70mm in the big theater and 35mm in the other. I think we did about three shows a day in each for roughly six weeks.

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Jim Henk
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quote: Leo Enticknap
But by the time I knew this guy, his days of thinking rationally were long behind him.
Rock and a hard place.. I sympathise with you. You did the difficult and right thing.

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Thomas Hauerslev
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When "Out of Africa" premiered here in Copenhagen in February 1986, the 70mm print was shown 750 times on change overs on DP70s. It ran for 250 days, 3 times a day. 8 months and 9 days until 30 October. The print still looks fantastic, without any significant wear and tear.

http://www.biografmuseet.dk/news/1986/out_of_africa/

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Brent Francis
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I still remember breaking down reels of trailers on a handcranked flatbed. 52 trailers, I think on a roll, and 3000 + in an order, broken onto individual cores, labelled, counted and put in boxes. And we had to screen the next roll at the same time.

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Geoff Newitt
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'Hamlet' on changeovers must have been fun - IIRC the shortest reel was under 7 minutes! I think a few UK houses doubled the reels up to make it more manageable.

It was the last thing I ran in 70mm, 16 years ago, alas.

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Victor Liorentas
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I ran Hamlet carbon arc changeover in 35mm. The reels were the same length as in 70mm! The short reels gave just enough time to thread up and reset carbons for the next changeover.
Good workout.

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Scott Norwood
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No one here has shown older Russian films? They come on 1000' (max.) reels. They are actually sort of fun to show.

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Brad Miller
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Back in college I ran a Chinese print of a movie without subtitles. It was on 15-20 reels (I don't recall specifically) and all were under 10 minutes long. Oh and did I mention the leaders were in Chinese with no hint whatsoever of reel numbers (readable to me)?

The reels came all tails out and the top reel ended with credits and the reel on the bottom of the box started with titles, so I just ran them in that order. Nobody complained, but then again I'm pretty sure nobody in the auditorium knew what was going on anyway because this ENTIRE MOVIE was 2 people sitting in a room talking.

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Stephen Furley
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quote:
'Hamlet' on changeovers must have been fun - IIRC the shortest reel was under 7 minutes!
'The Jazz Singer', the original one, would have been interesting to project. Since there was no way to edit the sound, other than by re-recording onto a new disk, a change in sound, e.g. from just music to a section with lip-sync dialogue, generally meant the start of the next reel, and the next disk. I think some were around 7-8 minutes. A reel couldn't be longer than 1000 feet or so because that was the maximum playing time of the 16 inch disks.

The film would have been nitrate, so the previous reel would have had to be taken out to the rewind room and the next one brought in. Between reels the machine would have to be cleaned, the carbons replaced or the trim adjusted, the film laced up, the disk replaced, or turned over, the needle changed, and then placed on the start mark, film and disk checked, the arc struck and allowed to stabilise before the next changeover. I wonder how many projectionists it took to run a Vitaphone show?

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Steve Guttag
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Most Nitrate laws required one operator per projector. A projectionist was not to leave their machine while it was running film since the projectionist was the first part of the "life-safety" systems of the day. So an operator did have roughly 20 minutes to thread their movie.

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Jock Blakley
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quote: Geoff Newitt
'Hamlet' on changeovers must have been fun - IIRC the shortest reel was under 7 minutes! I think a few UK houses doubled the reels up to make it more manageable.
I'm told that we used two operators on those shows. Nowadays we own that print, so we've built it up to eight reels for a much more manageable show!

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