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Monte L Fullmer
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From: Nampa, Idaho, USA
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..and I worked in a booth (thank goodness that had doors on each end for an emergency exit) that had carbon tet extinguisher bottles that would shatter when a small striking device that was spring loaded and held in check with a solder spot that would melt on heat...along with the port window fire shutters that were still intact with the lead breaks in the chain that kept them up that would break also in fire...

The Carbon Tec bottles were removed in the latter '70's and we got ABC extinguishers to replace.

I loved that booth though - my home for over 10 years.

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Dave Macaulay
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Those nitrate era booths - at least the ones I've been in around here - had to have two fire exits for the projectionist. They also had a fireproof rewind room, and I think those ancient enclosed rewinds are a nitrate thing.
The Ontario Censor Board used to operate from the Ontario Legislature building - along with the provincial parliament and most government departments. In the early 1940's some government guy saw a report about a booth fire somewhere, and asked if there was any of "that flammable film" in the censor board offices. When he found out they usually had roughly a ton of high explosive in the place at any time, the censor board was very quickly relocated to a vacant lot out by the old Thorncliffe Park horse track.

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Rick Raskin
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I experienced a nitrate fire in 1975. Photos are in the warehouse in the miscellaneous stuff section.

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Kevin Boyle
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From: Monroe, Utah, USA
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IF ANYONE WANTS PICS PLEASE EMAIL ME AT  - AND TELL ME IF YOU WOULD LIKE PICS TO SEE IF YOU CAN HELP ME IN MY INDEVOR WITH THIS OLD THEATRE EQUIPMENT PLEASE. EVERYTHING IS PRETTY MUCH A BRAND CALLED MOTIOGRAPH, EXCEPT THE AUTO REWIND MACHINE IS A GOLDE.

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Brad Miller
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KEVIN PLEASE READ THE RULES BEFORE YOU POST AGAIN. There is a link to the rules at the top of every forum page.

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Kevin Boyle
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I found someone on here to help me with the pictures so they should be up very soon I hope, so you all can help me.

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Jim Cassedy
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quote: Monte L Fullmer
and I worked in a booth (thank goodness that had doors on each end for an emergency exit)
Several of the 'nitrate booths' I've worked in over the years had those
big metal fire doors at each end that were counter-weighted and designed
to automatically slam shut when one of the fuzable-link chains over the
projectors melted in a fire- - thus 'trapping' the projectionist inside.

The whole idea of the port-shutters and doors was to keep the fire from
spreading to the auditorium. They really didn't give a damn about
whoever was in the booth. Think about it- - An auditorium fire would
cause immediate panic, which could possibly lead to a great number
of injuries or deaths, as can be historically documented. There's a lot
less "paperwork" if the only fatality is the projectionist.
(Blunt, but painfully true.)

If you go through some of the old IA union trade journals, you'll see
that up through the late 1940's, insurance companies considered being a
projectionist as a "hazardous job" and charged higher rates for it.

As for carbon arcs being "illegal" these days:
As others here have already mentioned, I don't believe there are any
laws/rules on the books that specifically prohibit the use of carbon arcs.

As Stephen Shelly correctly pointed out, there are several sill running here
in the SF Bay area, and I've even worked a couple of them.

HOWEVER, the municipal fire code regulations for many cities used to
require carbon-arc booths to be equipped with sand buckets and those
heavy duty fire-proof self closing trash cans for garbage & oily rags.
(Along with several other safety devices & requirements)

Many of these old codes are still on the books, so technically, if you are
running a carbon arc booth without them, you could be in violation
of some obscure fire-code regulation.

But I seriously doubt most "modern" fire inspectors are aware of these
old rules, so if you don't have them, I'd guess your chances of getting
tagged with a code violation are probably pretty remote.

(Although, just for the record, I'd still consider sand buckets and
enclosed trash/rag bins to be a very good idea in terms of safety even
in a 'modern' carbon-arc booth. No matter what the new regulations say)

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Donald Brown
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When the former Capital Theater in Dover, Delaware was resurrected as the Schwartz Center For The Arts over a decade ago, a film program was included for the revitalized venue. At the time, I was in contact with one of the volunteers associated with the joint public/private venture. The gentleman informed me that the old Peerless carbon arc lamps were removed and discarded because the Dover Fire Marshal would not permit their operation in the building any longer. When I questioned the source further, and pointed out that the equipment was UL Listed, he suggested that the concern related to the combustion process of the arc.
While this information was provided to me second hand, it is the only incident of equipment prohibition that I have ever heard of.

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David Buckley
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quote: Jim Cassedy
Several of the 'nitrate booths' I've worked in over the years had those big metal fire doors at each end that were counter-weighted and designed to automatically slam shut when one of the fuzable-link chains over the projectors melted in a fire- - thus 'trapping' the projectionist inside.
The booth in our now-closed Town hall was built in the nitrate era, and it had the heavy doors which permanently self-closed. The projectionist wasn't trrapped, as far as I could tell, and there were exits at both ends of the booth to get out. The booth also had the auto-dropping port windows, but the fusible links for them were removed a few decades back.

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Will Kutler
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The Tucson Convention Center had Strong Super Trouper follow spots. City of Tucson Fire Marshall and other officials forced their removal. They stated that there were Federal and EPA laws forbidding indoor carbon arc operation. There was also a small privately owned arts cinema in Tucson that had c-a lamps, which I offered to get up and running for them. This did not happen, as the same Tucson gov't officials threated to close the theater down should c-a be used indoors, claiming non-existent Federal Gov't and EPA regulations. I personally confronted some of these Gov't officials requesting them to supply the specific laws prohibiting the use of this equipment. They were, of course, unable to site any source. However, they insisted on standing their ground and the independent theater owner was not interested in pursuing a lawsuit.

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Martin McCaffery
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My theater was built during the nitrate era. We removed the port drops some time ago, but was quite familiar with them from the theatre I learned in. We still have the (probably) 200lb fire door on the booth. Interestingly, we only have one access point in the booth. I wonder if Montgomery didn't build to the same code as the rest of the country.

I was just up in DC over the holidays and was asked to checkout the screening room booth in the Hillwood Museum. It hasn't been used since at least 1973 but it is in lovely condition. The drop panels are still in place as are the string and solder links. Only one way out there, also.

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Kevin Boyle
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I actually need $ for payments on stuff that I unfortunately can't afford at this time because of the unexpected cost of t h e renovation of the THEATRE. Will is going g to put up that I sent to him to get input from you all as to how much this is worth. I have e already been informed the E-7 projectors are basically not worth much so if I can even get $500.00 a piece at this point I would be happy.if not I will keep for display in lobby window. From what Will told me the sound equip. Is worth $$$.

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Will Kutler
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Hi Kevin

I forwarded your pics (and copied you) to a fellow F-T member and dear friend who is very capable of estimating the $$ value of your sound equipment and help you on E-Bay. He is a very experienced projectionist as well as restoration expert and very successful E-Bay seller.

I am unsure if posting all your pics in this forum would violate Brad's F-T rules. If not, then I will. Feedback, Brad???

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Monte L Fullmer
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Will - send all of those picts to Brad so he can add them in the "Warehouse/Pictures" section as an album !

..fuel for thought !

-Monte

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Stephan Shelley
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I can understand the issue with carbon arc spotlights. Often just exhausted into the room. If they were in with the audience that is an issue.

Best not to inhale that stuff.

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