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Author Topic: When did Star Wars become "Episode IV"?
Mike Schindler
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 - posted 07-21-2002 08:55 PM      Profile for Mike Schindler   Email Mike Schindler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yorktown is open. It's been demolished and rebuilt into an 18-screen multiplex, but it's still there.

Also, Esquire has more screens now than it did back then.


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Mike Schindler
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 - posted 07-21-2002 08:57 PM      Profile for Mike Schindler   Email Mike Schindler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sorry, don't know how this got posted again.


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Adam Martin
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I knew about the new multi at Yorktown, but since the original structure (where the film in question would have played) is gone, I listed it as such.

Where was the Edens? Never heard of it.

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Mike Schindler
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I can't really tell whether or not this debate is settled yet, but by sheer coincidence, I came across an issue of Starlog Magazine today which is dated December 1978. In it is a rather lengthy interview with Gary Kurtz about the "new" Star Wars movie, THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. Here's a few quotes:

The film is never referred to in Lucas-Kurtz circles as STAR WARS II. "I would never call it that... Our working title is THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK... We were going to call it STAR WARS: EPISODE II -- THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, but we ran into some problems. You see, although this story is a direct sequel to the first movie, we have three more stories that we eventually want to film that actually occur before the point where the first Star Wars begins. So we've been toying with the idea of ignoring the numbers completely. Instead, we'll give each movie episode a unique title. I mean, if we had to give each film its true number in the series, this movie would be called EPISODE V: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. The first film would be called Episode IV! Can you imagine how complicated it would get? If we released a story like that publicly through a press release, thousands of people would be totally confused. Everyone would want to know what happened to the other three movies."

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Paul Linfesty
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Adam

The Edens was in Northbrook, Illinois.

I e-mailed you some pages on the theatre. i hope you received them.

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John Schulien
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The Edens was torn down just a few years ago. It was a round building with surprisingly large screens.

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Adam Martin
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I got 'em. Thanks!

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Michael Coate
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Since a few of you have been so good at determining the current operational status of some of the theaters that ran STAR WARS in its original 1977-78 run I thought I would add a few more theaters to the list. These were theaters that (1) got the movie early in its run (but not on opening day), (2) played the film for a very long time (one year range), and (3) might not be around anymore.

Dallas, TX: Northpark

Dayton, OH: Dayton Mall

Honolulu: HI: Cinerama

Houston, TX: Galleria

Kansas City, MO: Glenwood


By the way, for those of you interested in this type of trivia, the longest continuous run of STAR WARS was at the Westgate in Portland, Oregon, and the highest-grossing run was at the Astor Plaza in New York City.


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Mark Lensenmayer
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Raintree Cinema in Columbus OH played STAR WARS for over 1-year.

Dayton Mall I is closed. It was a beautiful, mid-sixties era showplace with crystal chandeliers and brass doors. Huge 1100+ seat auditorium. John Harvey was head operator there for many years. It is greatly missed.

Here is another odd take about Star Wars sequels. I have a ROLLING STONE magazine dated 8/25/77. Here is what Mr. Lucas himself says about Vader's backstory he hoped to show at a later time:

"It's about Ben and Luke's father and Vader when they are yound Jedi knights. But Vader kills Luke's father, then Ben and Vader have a confrontation, just like they have in Star Wars, and Ben almost kills Vader. As a matter of fact, he falls into a volcanic pit and gets fried and is one destroyed being. That's why he has to wear the suit with a mask, because it's a breathing mask. It's like a walking iron lung. His face is all horrible inside. I was going to shoot a close-up of Vader where you could see the inside of his face, but then we said, no, no, it would destory the mystique of the whole thing."

That is certainly different than things turned out in Empire!

Also, there is no mention in this article about STAR WARS being Episode IV. A TIME magazine from 5/19/80 says that it was a surprise that Empire was identified as EPISODE V and that the original was being retitled EPISODE IV.

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Michael Coate
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A TIME magazine from 5/19/80 says that it was a surprise that Empire was identified as EPISODE V and that the original was being retitled EPISODE IV.

Duh!!! Didn't I mention this earlier in the thread?!?

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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Contrary to my earlier post, Star Wars was NOT A New Hope as late as 1979. I checked the date code on the film edge of a 35mm reel with the original opening, and it was printed in 1979.

/Mitchell

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Michael Coate
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RE: when the EPISODE IV tag was added.

Mike Schindler wrote:

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I'm sure it was no later than 1978.

Dave Stambaugh wrote:

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My own memory says the 1977 70mm print(s) shown at Edwards Big Newport in Newport Beach CA contained the words "Episode IV: A New Hope."

Ron Lacheur wrote:

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Could be 1978, I thought it could be 1980 as well

Brad Miller wrote:

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My guess is that later in 1977 or early 1978 it was added.

John Scott wrote:

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I was aware that the ANY title went up prior to the release of ESB

Michael Hunt wrote:

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First saw it in the U.K. and it definately[sic] had the Episode IV A New Hope bit at the front

Mitchell Dvoskin wrote:

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it had a wide re-release in the summer of 1978, when ANH was added

Now, two members (one of whom was myself) contributed postings with information suggesting the tag was added after the release of THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, rather than the 1977 and 1978 dates claimed by others. Although a substantial debate never took effect, I noticed Mr. Dvoskin recently added a post offering a clarification to an earlier posting he made. Thank you, Mitchell, for having the courage to correct yourself on an open forum.

I really wonder: does anyone, particularly those members quoted above, *still* believe the tag appeared as early as '77 or '78? If you're still a bit unsure (as if my original posting in this thread didn't include enough details!), try this quote from the WASHINGTON POST:

WASHINGTON POST (May 18, 1980). From Gary Arnold's film review of THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK: "When STAR WARS is reissued, probably next summer, the prints will include the subtitle, EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE. This adjustment may already be seen in the published screenplay, which came out last winter in an attractive book called THE ART OF STAR WARS."



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David Stambaugh
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Mike, this isn't exactly a court and we're not under oath. We're talking about a movie that came out 25 years ago, and which most of us have seen many times, in 2 or more different incarnations. In my case I just related what I remembered. I am happy to admit when I'm wrong. In fact, when I saw your documentation in the earlier post, I thought "That's good enough for me".

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Adam Martin
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*DEMO* Dallas, TX: Northpark

*CLOSED Dayton, OH: Dayton Mall (There were three clusters of screens in different areas in the mall. All are closed now, probably reclaimed for retail use.)

*CLOSED Honolulu: HI: Cinerama

*CLOSED Houston, TX: Galleria

*DEMO* Kansas City, MO: Glenwood


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Claude S. Ayakawa
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As far as I could remember, the original "STAR WARS" opened in Honolulu on two screens on the original release day. "THE EMPIRE STIKES BACK" or "THE RETURN OF THE JEDI" was held back for about two weeks because Consolidated had a problem agreeing to Fox's terms. The original "STARS WARS" played at both the Cinerama and the Kapiolani, the former Toho Theatre opening with 35mm prints at both venues. The Kapiolani played "STAR WARS" for about two months before Consolidtaed decided to make the Cinerama Theatre the exclusive theatre in Honolulu for the picture by setting up the theater with Dolby Stereo which the theatre did not have. With the Dolby Stereo system in place, "STARS WARS" continued it's record run of over one years with a brand new 70mm print. Yea! "THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK" and " THE RETURN OF THE JEDI" both played exclusive runs at the Cinerama in 70mm for a very long time. Before the Waikiki Twins, the Cinerama was my favorite theatre and I still miss that wonderful house.

-Claude

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